History Administrivia / TropeNamerSyndrome

Make no mistake: We're perfectly happy to coin terms for literary phenomena when it's clear no one else has done it for us already. Some of those terms reference a specific example of such a phenomenon. We have quite a few TropeNamers spread across the wiki and, frankly, these witty postmodern pop-culture references used to be one of Wiki/TVTropes' unique attractions.

But now that the wiki has entered (relatively) mainstream appeal and popularity, the old days of sitting around in closely-knit circles of postmodernist nerds and naming {{trope}}s directly from our favorite works of fiction [[EndOfAnAge are over]]. Sure, we're still a circle of nerds (and proud of it), and we still like to [[Administrivia/EntryPimp plug our favorite shows and characters]] here and there, but out of necessity, the wiki had to adapt to be comprehensible to the mainstream audience who have no prior knowledge of what we are talking about. Wiki/ThisVeryWiki had to adopt a more modernist, scientific stance not unlike that of Wikipedia. So now, pop culture references are disfavored, and "Administrivia/ClearConciseWitty", while not enforced as a strict rule, is the trope-naming mantra to live by.

Make no mistake: We're perfectly happy to coin terms for literary phenomena when it's clear no one else has done it for us already. We have quite a few TropeNamers spread across the wiki and, frankly, these witty postmodern pop-culture references used to be one of Wiki/TVTropes' unique attractions.

But what with how the wiki entered mainstream appeal and popularity, the old days of sitting around in closely-knit circles of postmodernist nerds and naming {{trope}}s directly from our favorite works of fiction [[EndOfAnAge are over]]. Sure, we're still a circle of nerds (and proud of it) and we still like to [[Administrivia/EntryPimp plug our favorite shows and characters]] here and there, but out of necessity, the wiki had to adapt to be comprehensible to the mainstream audience who have no prior knowledge of what we are talking about. This very wiki had to adopt a more Modernist, scientific stance not unlike that of Wikipedia. So now, pop culture references are suppressed, and "Administrivia/ClearConciseWitty" (while not strictly enforced) is the trope-naming mantra to live by.

So, naming tropes after characters or examples in fiction is a thing to avoid, but all this is not to say that we don't want '''any''' new Trope Namers, period. There are occasional exceptions where a good new {{Trope Namer|s}} that still manages to be descriptive can be created, but this is [[SturgeonsLaw very rare]] and ''extremely'' difficult to do, as there are very few universally-known works or characters out there and chances are people don't remember them for the same reasons that we do. It's easy to mistake something that ''you'' know and love for something ''everyone'' knows and loves -- we call this FanMyopia.

Trope Namer Syndrome primarily manifests itself in the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/tlp_activity.php Trope Launch Pad]], the workshop where we pound out names and descriptions for new trope articles. It's easy to spot the occasional trope (er, proto-trope) where the editor is trying a little too hard to create a {{Trope Namer|s}}, at the expense of developing a good name and definition that everyone will "get". These tend to get immediate responses (and tags) of "Administrivia/NeedsABetterName" and/or "Administrivia/PagesNeedingABetterDescription", and may also be criticized as "Bad Trope Namer".

There's a wide range of symptoms to Trope Namer Syndrome -- all of them minor faux-pas by themselves, but be on watch if several occur simultaneously in the same draft:

* A general insistence that some work of fiction [[FanMyopia "deserves to be"]] a {{Trope Namer|s}}.
* A name that conveys ''only'' its connection to some {{Trope Namer|s}} -- names ending in the words "Effect", "Syndrome", and/or "Moment" are ''especially'' at risk. Names starting with the word "The" are also at risk, as this creates ambiguity between an example of the ''trope'' and a reference to its ''trope namer''.
* A page image (and/or page quote) that conveys "[[Administrivia/JustAFaceAndACaption this is the Trope Namer]]" without properly illustrating the underlying definition.
* Listing the trope-naming example before the actual definition, or (worse) not presenting any definition at all beyond "remember that moment in the {{Trope Namer|s}} where...?"
* Fewer than [[Administrivia/ThreeRulesOfThree three examples]] beyond "The {{Trope Namer|s}} is [X]..." (which goes double if the trope-naming example [[Administrivia/ZeroContextExample doesn't even explain itself]] or [[ThisIndexIsNotAnExample isn't actually an example]] of its own trope).

Fortunately all of these symptoms are curable before launch; just take a moment to listen to suggestions from your fellow tropers, especially if you see several people agreeing on the same point (regardless of whether you agree with said point or not).

[[SturgeonsLaw Ninety percent]] of attempts to create new TropeNamers get sent straight to our Administrivia/TropeRepairShop forum for fixing, and the worst cases simply get deleted and sent back to the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/tlp_activity.php Trope Launch Pad]] all over again, in which case all the time you spend campaigning for your favorite {{Trope Namer|s}} will have come to naught. You can save our overburdened forumgoers some work by distancing yourself from your favorite work of fiction and discussing the matter with your fellow editors at [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/tlp_activity.php Trope Launch Pad]] first.

Trope Namer Syndrome primarily manifests itself in the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/tlp_activity.php Trope Launch Pad]], the workshop where we pound out names and descriptions for new trope articles. It's easy to spot the occasional trope (er, proto-trope) where the editor is trying a little too hard to create a {{Trope Namer|s}}, at the expense of developing a good name and definition that everyone will "get". These tend to get immediate responses (and tags) of "Administrivia/NeedsABetterName" and/or "Administrivia/NeedsABetterDescription", and may also be criticized as "Bad Trope Namer".

But what with how the wiki entered mainstream appeal and popularity, the old days of sitting around in closely-knit circles of postmodernist nerds and naming {{trope}}s directly from our favorite works of fiction [[EndOfAnAge are over]]. Sure, we're still a circle of nerds (and proud of it) and we still like to [[EntryPimp plug our favorite shows and characters]] here and there, but out of necessity, the wiki had to adapt to be comprehensible to the mainstream audience who have no prior knowledge of what we are talking about. This very wiki had to adopt a more Modernist, scientific stance not unlike that of Wikipedia. So now, pop culture references are suppressed, and "Administrivia/ClearConciseWitty" (while not strictly enforced) is the trope-naming mantra to live by.

Fortunately all of these symptoms are curable before launch; just take a moment to listen to suggestions from your fellow {{troper}}s, especially if you see several people agreeing on the same point (regardless of whether you agree with said point or not).

So, naming tropes after characters or examples in fiction is a thing to avoid, but all this is not to say that we don't want '''any''' new Trope Namers, period. There are occasional exceptions where a good new {{Trope Namer|s}} that is still descriptive can be created, but this is [[SturgeonsLaw very rare]] and ''extremely'' difficult to do, as there are very few universally-known works or characters out there and chances are people don't remember them for the same reasons that we do. It's easy to mistake something that ''you'' know and love for something ''everyone'' knows and loves -- we call this FanMyopia.

So, naming tropes after characters or examples in fiction is a thing to avoid. There are occasional exceptions where a good new {{Trope Namer|s}} can be created, but this is [[SturgeonsLaw very rare]] and ''extremely'' difficult to do, as there are very few universally-known works or characters out there and chances are people don't remember them for the same reasons that we do. It's easy to mistake something that ''you'' know and love for something ''everyone'' knows and loves -- we call this FanMyopia.

Fortunately all of these symptoms are curable before launch, just take a moment to listen to suggestions from your fellow {{troper}}s, especially if you see several people agreeing on the same point (regardless of whether you agree with said point or not).

Sometimes editors place a little ''too'' much importance on creating a new TropeNamer.

So, naming tropes after characters or examples in fiction is a thing to avoid. There are occasional exceptions where a good new TropeNamer can be created, but this is [[SturgeonsLaw very rare]] and ''extremely'' difficult to do, as there are very few universally-known works or characters out there and chances are people don't remember them for the same reasons that we do. It's easy to mistake something that ''you'' know and love for something ''everyone'' knows and loves -- we call this FanMyopia.

Trope Namer Syndrome primarily manifests itself in the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/tlp_activity.php Trope Launch Pad]], the workshop where we pound out names and descriptions for new trope articles. It's easy to spot the occasional trope (er, proto-trope) where the editor is trying a little too hard to create a TropeNamer, at the expense of developing a good name and definition that everyone will "get". These tend to get immediate responses (and tags) of "Administrivia/NeedsABetterName" and/or "Administrivia/NeedsABetterDescription", and may also be criticized as "Bad Trope Namer".

* A general insistence that some work of fiction [[FanMyopia "deserves to be"]] a TropeNamer.
* A name that conveys ''only'' its connection to some TropeNamer -- names ending in the words "Effect", "Syndrome", and/or "Moment" are ''especially'' at risk. Names starting with the word "The" are also at risk, as this creates ambiguity between an example of the ''trope'' and a reference to its ''trope namer''.

* Listing the trope-naming example before the actual definition, or (worse) not presenting any definition at all beyond "remember that moment in the TropeNamer where...?"
* Fewer than [[Administrivia/ThreeRulesOfThree three examples]] beyond "The TropeNamer is [X]..." (which goes double if the trope-naming example [[Administrivia/ZeroContextExample doesn't even explain itself]] or [[ThisIndexIsNotAnExample isn't actually an example]] of its own trope).

[[SturgeonsLaw Ninety percent]] of attempts to create new TropeNamers get sent straight to our Administrivia/TropeRepairShop forum for fixing, and the worst cases simply get deleted and sent back to the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/tlp_activity.php Trope Launch Pad]] all over again, in which case all the time you spend campaigning for your favorite TropeNamer will have come to naught. You can save our overburdened forumgoers some work by distancing yourself from your favorite work of fiction and discussing the matter with your fellow editors at [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/tlp_activity.php Trope Launch Pad]] first.

For more information about how to come up with a good name for a new trope, see the guidelines listed on Administrivia/NamingATrope. To learn more about Trope Namers in general, check out the TropeNamer page.

Make no mistake: We're perfectly happy to coin terms for literary phenomena when it's clear no one else has done it for us already. We have quite a few TropeNamers spread across the wiki and, frankly, these witty pop-culture references are one of Wiki/TVTropes' unique attractions.

But due to the size and popularity that the wiki has grown to, the old days of sitting around in closely-knit circles of nerds and naming {{trope}}s directly from our favorite works of fiction [[EndOfAnAge are over]]. With a capital O. Sure, we're still a circle of nerds (and proud of it) and we still like to [[EntryPimp plug our favorite shows and characters]] here and there, but the goal of this wiki is (still) to document tropes in ways that are actually useful for all the ''other'' people who aren't familiar with the same things we are. Not everyone is familiar with the works/characters we are and "Administrivia/ClearConciseWitty" (while not strictly enforced) is the trope-naming mantra to live by.

But due to the size and popularity that the wiki has grown to, the old days of sitting around in closely-knit circles of nerds and naming {{trope}}s directly from our favorite works of fiction are Over. With a capital O. Sure, we're still a circle of nerds (and proud of it) and we still like to [[EntryPimp plug our favorite shows and characters]] here and there, but the goal of this wiki is (still) to document tropes in ways that are actually useful for all the ''other'' people who aren't familiar with the same things we are. Not everyone is familiar with the works/characters we are and "Administrivia/ClearConciseWitty" (while not strictly enforced) is the trope-naming mantra to live by.

Trope Namer Syndrome primarily manifests itself in the TLP, the workshop where we pound out names and descriptions for new trope articles. It's easy to spot the occasional trope (er, proto-trope) where the editor is trying a little too hard to create a TropeNamer, at the expense of developing a good name and definition that everyone will "get". These tend to get immediate responses (and tags) of "Administrivia/NeedsABetterName" and/or "Administrivia/NeedsABetterDescription", and may also be criticized as "Bad Trope Namer".

[[SturgeonsLaw Ninety percent]] of attempts to create new TropeNamers get sent straight to our Administrivia/TropeRepairShop forum for fixing, and the worst cases simply get deleted and sent back to the YKTTW all over again, in which case all the time you spend campaigning for your favorite TropeNamer will have come to naught. You can save our overburdened forumgoers some work by distancing yourself from your favorite work of fiction and discussing the matter with your fellow editors at YKTTW first.

Trope Namer Syndrome primarily manifests itself in the YKTTW, the workshop where we pound out names and descriptions for new trope articles. It's easy to spot the occasional trope (er, proto-trope) where the editor is trying a little too hard to create a TropeNamer, at the expense of developing a good name and definition that everyone will "get". These tend to get immediate responses (and tags) of "Administrivia/NeedsABetterName" and/or "Administrivia/NeedsABetterDescription", and may also be criticized as "Bad Trope Namer".

But due to the size and popularity that the wiki has grown to, the old days of sitting around in closely-knit circles of nerds and naming {{trope}}s directly from our favorite works of fiction [[DeaderThanDisco are Over. With a capital O.]] Sure, we're still a circle of nerds (and proud of it) and we still like to [[EntryPimp plug our favorite shows and characters]] here and there, but the goal of this wiki is (still) to document tropes in ways that are actually useful for all the ''other'' people who aren't familiar with the same things we are. Not everyone is familiar with the works/characters we are and "Administrivia/ClearConciseWitty" (while not strictly enforced) is the trope-naming mantra to live by.

Make no mistake: We're perfectly happy to coin terms for literary phenomena when it's clear no one else has done it for us already. We have quite a few TropeNamers spread across the wiki and, frankly, these witty pop-culture references are one of Wiki/TVTropes's unique attractions.

Make no mistake: We're perfectly happy to coin terms for literary phenomena when it's clear no one else has done it for us already. We have quite a few TropeNamers spread across the wiki and, frankly, these witty pop-culture references are one of TVTropes's unique attractions.

But due to the size and popularity that the wiki has grown to, the old days of sitting around in closely-knit circles of nerds and naming tropes directly from our favorite works of fiction [[DeaderThanDisco are Over. With a capital O.]] Sure, we're still a circle of nerds (and proud of it) and we still like to [[EntryPimp plug our favorite shows and characters]] here and there, but the goal of this wiki is (still) to document tropes in ways that are actually useful for all the ''other'' people who aren't familiar with the same things we are. Not everyone is familiar with the works/characters we are and "Administrivia/ClearConciseWitty" (while not strictly enforced) is the trope-naming mantra to live by.

Trope Namer Syndrome primarily manifests itself in the YKTTW, the workshop where we pound out names and descriptions for new trope articles. It's easy to spot the occasional trope (er, proto-trope) where the editor is trying a little too hard to create a TropeNamer, at the expense of developing a good name and definition that everyone will "get". These tend to get immediate responses (and tags) of "Administrivia/NeedsABetterName" and/or "Administrivia/NeedsABetterDescription", and may also be criticized as "Bad Trope Namer". In particularly extreme cases it might even be criticized as "No New TropeNamers" -- which is admittedly going a little too far (but it'll certainly get their attention, right?).

* A general insistence that some work of fiction [[FanMyopia "deserves to be"]] a TropeNamer;
* A name that conveys ''only'' its connection to some TropeNamer -- names ending in the words "Effect", "Syndrome", and/or "Moment" are ''especially'' at risk. Names starting with the word "The" can also be at risk, as this creates ambiguity between an example of the ''trope'' and a reference to its ''trope namer''.
* A page image (and/or page quote) that conveys "[[Administrivia/JustAFaceAndACaption this is the Trope Namer]]" without properly illustrating the underlying definition; %% (see the Sandbox/SlidingScaleOfImagePertinence);

* Fewer than [[Administrivia/ThreeRulesOfThree three examples]] beyond "The TropeNamer is [X]..." (which goes double if the trope-naming example [[Administrivia/ZeroContextExample doesn't even explain itself]] or [[ThisIndexIsNotAnExample isn't actually an example]] of its own trope);

Fortunately all of these symptoms are curable before launch, just take a moment to listen to suggestions from your fellow tropers, especially if you see several people agreeing on the same point (regardless of whether you agree with said point or not).

[[SturgeonsLaw Ninety percent]] of attempts to create new TropeNamers get sent straight to our TropeRepairShop forum for fixing, and the worst cases simply get deleted and sent back to the YKTTW all over again, in which case all the time you spend campaigning for your favorite TropeNamer will have come to naught. You can save our overburdened forumgoers some work by distancing yourself from your favorite work of fiction and discussing the matter with your fellow editors at YKTTW first.

Trope Namer Syndrome primarily manifests itself in the YKTTW, the workshop where we pound out names and descriptions for new trope articles. It's easy to spot the occasional trope (er, proto-trope) where the editor is trying a little too hard to create a TropeNamer, at the expense of developing a good name and definition that everyone will "get". These tend to get immediate responses (and tags) of "Administrivia/NeedsABetterName" and/or "NeedsABetterDescription", and may also be criticized as "Bad Trope Namer". In particularly extreme cases it might even be criticized as "No New TropeNamers" -- which is admittedly going a little too far (but it'll certainly get their attention, right?).

* A page image (and/or page quote) that conveys "[[JustAFaceAndACaption this is the Trope Namer]]" without properly illustrating the underlying definition; %% (see the Sandbox/SlidingScaleOfImagePertinence);

But due to the size and popularity that the wiki has grown to, the old days of sitting around in closely-knit circles of nerds and naming tropes directly from our favorite works of fiction [[DeaderThanDisco are Over. With a capital O.]] Sure, we're still a circle of nerds (and proud of it) and we still like to [[EntryPimp plug our favorite shows and characters]] here and there, but the goal of this wiki is (still) to document tropes in ways that are actually useful for all the ''other'' people who aren't familiar with the same things we are. Not everyone is familiar with the works/characters we are and "ClearConciseWitty" (while not strictly enforced) is the trope-naming mantra to live by.

But due to the size and popularity that the wiki has grown to, the old days of sitting around in closely-knit circles of nerds and naming tropes directly from our favorite works of fiction [[GoneHorriblyRight are Over]]. [[WithACapitalT With a capital O]]. Sure, we're still a circle of nerds (and proud of it) and we still like to [[EntryPimp plug our favorite shows and characters]] here and there, but the goal of this wiki is (still) to document tropes in ways that are actually useful for all the ''other'' people who aren't familiar with the same things we are. Not everyone is familiar with the works/characters we are and "ClearConciseWitty" (while not strictly enforced) is the trope-naming mantra to live by.

But due to the size and popularity that the wiki has grown to, the old days of sitting around in closely-knit circles of nerds and naming tropes directly from our favorite works of fiction [[GoneHorriblyRight are Over]]. [[DeaderThanDisco With a capital O]]. Sure, we're still a circle of nerds (and proud of it) and we still like to [[EntryPimp plug our favorite shows and characters]] here and there, but the goal of this wiki is (still) to document tropes in ways that are actually useful for all the ''other'' people who aren't familiar with the same things we are. Not everyone is familiar with the works/characters we are and "ClearConciseWitty" (while not strictly enforced) is the trope-naming mantra to live by.

Trope Namer Syndrome primarily manifests itself in the YKTTW, the workshop where we pound out names and descriptions for new trope articles. It's easy to spot the occasional trope (er, proto-trope) where the editor is trying a little too hard to create a TropeNamer, at the expense of developing a good name and definition that everyone will "get". These tend to get immediate responses of "Administrivia/NeedsABetterName" and/or "NeedsABetterDescription", and may also be criticized as "Bad Trope Namer".

There's a wide range of symptoms to Trope Namer Syndrome -- all of them minor faux-pas by themselves, but on watch for several occurring simultaneously in the same draft:

For more information about how to come up with a good name for a new trope, see the guidelines listed on NamingATrope. To learn more about Trope Namers in general, check out the TropeNamer page.

* Fewer than [[Administrivia/ThreeRulesOfThree three examples]] beyond "The TropeNamer is [X]..." (which goes double if the trope-naming example [[ZeroContextExample doesn't even explain itself]] or [[ThisIndexIsNotAnExample isn't actually an example]] of its own trope);

* Listing the trope-naming example before the actual definition, or ([[ItGotWorse worse]]) not presenting any definition at all beyond "remember that moment in the TropeNamer where...?"