• 1 Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Jun, 2017 03:17:54 PM
    Hey folks! I am doing a grad project on various representations of physical power/strength/resilience in media. The scope is specific to portrayal of women and how invulnerability to things like body blows etc are portrayed, the role of size/build/physique etc etc. Does anyone have good examples of the Punch Punch Punch Oh Oh trope where the female character is the invulnerable/no sell? I'm in the early phases so all and any are helpful! I'll be combing through source material and would love to keep those interested updated. I chose Anime, but am interested in all mediums since there wasnt a select all option. Reply

      Well, Dragon Ball Super recently had an example with Kale in Episode 93:
      After accidentally awakening Kale's Super Saiyan Berserker form, Cabba desperately has to defend himself against her bloodthirst. At one point, after blocking SSJB Kale's furry of blows, he tries to retaliate with a strong punch into her chest. It doesn't help in the slightest, leaving him open to a fully charged counterattack.
  • 1 Jun 22nd, 2017 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Jun, 2017 03:09:16 PM
    When is it okay to use the English names for characters instead of the Japanese names? I know with series like Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh! its the norm, but what about other series?

    For example, I've only read the mackere version of Miracle Girls. So can I use their English names? What about with Beyblade? Reply

      We prefer English names unless there's no consistent or definitive localization available.
  • 1 Jun 22nd, 2017 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Jun, 2017 03:08:10 PM
    SwankyGrouse has a lot of problems with their editing, including natter, incorrect indexing, occasionally wrong capitalization and punctuation, and questionable grammar. I also saw them add a pothole to Complete Monster on Characters.Akame Ga Kill The Jaegers. Reply
  • 4 Jun 22nd, 2017 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Jun, 2017 02:55:10 PM
    I tried making a page for a work that uses an apostrophe-s but nothing I tired seems to work. I just keep getting a special character error. And I couldn't find anything about special characters in the tips page it reccomended either. What am I doing wrong? Reply

      You can't include anything other than alphanumeric characters in page titles; just create a version without the apostrophe in the title and then use the Custom Title Request tool to request that the page title display with the apostrophe included.

      And where do I find the Custom Title tool?

      Under the "More" dropdown, in the bar that has "Edit" and "History" and stuff. It's called "Wikiword".

  • 18 Jun 13th, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Jun, 2017 01:47:47 PM
    I noticed when clicking edit on The New '10s index that a message comes up saying the article is too long and should be broken down into multiple. Should we make the "works made during this decade" folder into a series of pages? Alternatively, pages for "works set during this decade"? Or Both or some other option Reply

      The usual is to break them down alphabetically. Exactly how in this situation, I'm not sure.

      That is a long description (at least on mobile.)

      One way to help until the page can be split is to clean it up. Natter, Conversation on the Main page, Word Cruft, and such can add a ridiculous amount of text.

      I thought a forum thread had declared "current decade" retrospectives verboten on the basis that, we can't look at the current decade objectively.

      That sounds vaguely familiar, but I don't remember more than that.

      I considered splitting the trope list regarding sociopolitical tropes and pop cultural tropes, but with the clusterfudge of political events of 2016, the overdosed trope list overwhelmed me, so it didn't came to pass.

      That compared to the Turn of the Millennium page.

      Would it be fair to say then maybe at least make pages for "works made during this decade"

      There's already a bunch of "works from this decade" subpages (with links hidden beneath probably-redundant folders), including Films of the 2010s, Literature of the 2010s, Series of the 2010s, etc.

      One thing we might want to sort out is if Anime of the 2010s should be renamed to Anime And Manga Of The2010s... That would allow a bunch of examples to be moved.


      Yeah, pull those links out into the light of day and nix the folders.

      My specific concern was that i was trying to add a web video work that came out in the 2010s but it doesn't seem like their is a Web Original of the New Tens made yet. Do you think it would be a good idea to make pages for mediums that don't have newten pages yet (replace those particular folders with a link to the medium page).

      That's generally discouraged unless the Main page is strictly an index. Splitting off larger folders into their own pages, or alphabetizing into subpages, is more the norm, to allow room for the smaller folders on the page.

      So don't make a Web Original of the 2010s page?

      Not if it's going to be one example.

      One example? There is whole bunch of web originals listed on the page

      Ah okay, I read 'no web original' as no folder, not no page.

      so does that mean you would be ok with a "web originals of 2010s" page then since there are definitely enough examples to start one?

      This calls for a TRS.

      I -my non-mod- self, would be okay with it.

      What are the exact grounds for taking it to TRS?
  • 3 Jun 22nd, 2017 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Jun, 2017 01:28:16 PM
    I'd like to start a page about an old anime of the '80s but I think it's very obscure for native English speakers. My question is: should I use the Japanese title or the English title of Wikipedia? Reply

      If I remember right, TV Tropes prefers that you use the English title instead of the Japanese title. Even on Wikipedia, they will use the English Title instead of the Japanese title.

      The English title, though the Japanese title is probably a valid redirect.

      English title with Japanese as redirect.
  • 3 Jun 22nd, 2017 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Jun, 2017 01:26:54 PM
    So here's the thing:

    I've noticed that Nintendo not only has its own page, but it also has its own YMMV page. I would've thought that the Sony Interactive Entertainment (the group that made the Playstation and the other systems) and the Microsoft Studios pages would have YMMV pages as well. But it turns out that they don't.

    Since both of those companies are big parts of the gaming industry today and for many years before then, I was wondering if it would be okay for them to have a YMMV page since Nintendo has one, but the other two don't.

    Also I'm aware that for the most part, Sony and Microsoft Studios mostly just make the consoles and they don't make many games unlike Nintendo, but I just assumed that if Nintendo can have a YMMV page that the other two should have one too. And if the pages are locked to prevent the pages because you don't want those pages, then please explain to me why it might be the case Reply

      I think Nintendo's YMMV page was made before the rules against Creators having YMMV pages was added, though I could be wrong.

      The rule was though while creators shouldn't get YMMV pages, there might be exceptions if creator YMMVs are created for works that do not yet have their own articles. The Nintendo YMMV page is guilty of some complaining about the creator and should be cleaned, but the page really isn't that out of hand (unless other tropers find it otherwise or want to preempt the risk by cutting and having the page locked).

      I agree. Scrub anything about Nintendo itself, complaining or otherwise, check to make sure no relevant works pages exist (and move the affected examples if there are such pages), and it should be good.
  • 5 Jun 21st, 2017 at 7:07PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Jun, 2017 06:58:02 AM
    Sooo I want to create a page about this amazing little (and I mean REALLY small, at the moment it has only two episodes) web series called Dungeon Dynamite. I hit the edit button and was immediately overwhelmed because of the giant white box that I had to write in. Do I need to read something to figure this out, or am I over-dramatizing things here? Thanks for any help. Reply

      How to Create a Works Page should explain the basics pretty well.

      You can start out at Sandbox.Dungeon Dynamite. Pages in that namespace are assumed to be under construction, so if it takes a bit to get it up to full description and three filled out examples, it's cool. You can play around as much as you need to.

      Once it's ready, copy and paste to WebVideo.Dungeon Dynamite and cutlist the Sandbox page.

      You can also use a notepad in your computer and type in everything before creating the page so you don't have to create and cutlist a sandbox.

      The advantage of using the sandbox is that you can see what the finished page will look like, and that all links work, that images look right, and so on.

      The main things to keep in mind when drafting the page, as How to Create a Works Page details, are that there needs to be a non-stub description of the work at the top of the page (not too detailed, but it should convey a good amount of information regarding what the work is, who created it, etc.) and at least three non-Zero-Context Example trope entries (which should then be cross-wicked - that is, copied - to the appropriate trope pages), and the works page should be added to an appropriate index (if you're stuck for possible candidates for indices, try looking at the ones on which other pages for web video series are listed and see if any of them fit).

      Bear all of that in mind and you should find it all smooth sailing!
  • 0 Jun 21st, 2017 at 10:10PM
    If questions are answered on a headscratchers page or the original question contained incorrect information, (some of which was later corrected by another poster), are you allowed to delete it or merge the examples? The Headscratchers.Yu Gi Oh has a lot of that. Reply
  • 2 Jun 20th, 2017 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Jun, 2017 07:46:07 PM
    UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.Gravity Falls is only a few entries extended with some complaining. Reply

      Not going to lie, knowing the fandom, there's enough fuel for Mabel Pines' entry that it'd be better keeping it off the main YMMV page. The fandom is really vitriolic about her.

      Doesn't matter. She's an extreme Base-Breaking Character, but only a few examples doesn't warrant an entire page.

      A good chunk of the page is complaining about anything Ford has done.
  • 9 Jun 20th, 2017 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Jun, 2017 06:02:51 PM
    Someone is going and making a recap page for every single chapter in the Harry Potter books. Not every single book, a full page for each individual chapter. That seems a bit unusual and I thought I'd bring it up here to see if it's kosher or not. Reply

      I wouldn't think so? They're not published separately like the chapters of Web Serial Novels. Instead, they're done in whole books.

      They're also not listing tropes, just lists of Chekhovs Guns.

      Oh, my god. Cut ALL of that. I'm suspending them.

      Never mind.

      Starting the process of cutting all the Chekhov's Gun "recap" pages for the Harry Potter series. This will be fun.

      Slapped all the recap pages for Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone onto the cutlist. Edit, Done with Chamber of Secrets.

      Lent a hand, cutlisted all of Order of the Phoenix.

      All of the cut requests have been executed.

      Still a few pages there. Cutting a few because I'm on the road.

      Alright, ALL of the pages have been cut, as has the actual recap page where they were listed. The user who uploaded those pages got processed through the Edit Banned thread.

      I think this issue is dealt with.

      Concluding thought: Lol on Fighteer's reaction when he saw this.
  • 1 Jun 21st, 2017 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Jun, 2017 03:47:11 PM
    When a let's player or a creator of Web Video or Web Original makes a theory about a work and then it's proven to be correct, can that be an "In-Universe" case of I Knew It in their work page? For example, Linkara in History of Power Rangers. I find it shoehorned all over the place under Accidentally Accurate, which has undergone heavy misuse. Reply

      Alternatively, maybe preferably, the entry can be implemented in the subject's Trivia page as an I Knew It example. Using your example that you presented, the entry could fit in the Power Rangers Trivia page if it's not there already.
  • 9 Jun 21st, 2017 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Jun, 2017 12:42:50 PM
    I just noticed that Geralt of Rivia from the Witcher Series is missing this trope. Wouldn't he qualify as a "Silver Fox"? Reply

      ...You Could Always Edit It Yourself. Just make sure that the character is considered to be attractive in-universe, like by the story's narrative or other characters in the story. Like, don't add tropes that are about physical attractiveness if the only people calling the character attractive are you or other fans of the work.

      I'm still a bit new here. how exactly do you make such a change?

      Welcome to TV Tropes! contains everything you need.

      Is Geralt actually over 40 or so, or did his hair turn silver prematurely?

      ^^ Thanks for the link Crystal Glacia I'll be sure to read it. ^ The Big Bopper Geralt is around 95 years old by the beginning of the third game. and around 105 by the end of one of the expansions.

      Except he doesn't look old. He's a case of Really 700 Years Old and his white hair comes from Locked into Strangeness.

      There's a special forum for this kind of questions called Is This An Example. It's better to ask there than here.

      ^ Larkmarn true however the definition of the "Silver Fox" Trope is only as follows, "A Silver Fox is an attractive, distinguished older (generally over 40) person, often noted for his or her sexy silver or white hair along with their good looks and charm." Even in the case of "Really 700 Years Old" he does appear to be in his 40's and while the hair change comes from "Locked into Strangness" he is still noted for his white hair. Insofar as to be nicknamed "White Wolf".

      Oh i didn't realise that Gnome Titan . Thanks for pointing that out. i'll go there right now.
  • 4 Jun 21st, 2017 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Jun, 2017 09:51:37 AM
    There's an example of Accidentally Correct Writing in DarthWiki.Half Life World Line. The thing is, it isn't a finished work. Does it merit a Trivia tab? Reply

      Darth Wiki articles aren't allowed to have subpages. I don't know the policy regarding entries that would belong on subpages if it were a published work.

      You can add them to the "main" article in that specific circumstance, noting to split them to subpages if/when the work is published.

      Random thought: would a folder on the Darth Wiki page, labeled with the subpages name, be acceptable?

      It's not standard practice (that I'm aware of) but I don't see the harm, as long as the author isn't the one adding the entries.
  • 5 Jun 20th, 2017 at 7:07PM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Jun, 2017 09:17:09 AM
    Is there a place for example writing help? Like the Like Get Help With English thread is for English? Reply

      What about Is this an example?

      I've treated that as strictly for revie of examples that are on the wiki already. Am I wrong?

      That's what it's usually used for, but it's entirely fine to use it for general advice.

      I use it myself for entries I'm planning but am not entirely sure are a proper fit. Especially if I'm troping a work I'm currently passionate about and am more likely to see a trope where there isn't one.

      Since 'don't damage the wiki' is a major thing, I see no reason to not bring up maybe examples in that thread. Also less of a headache all around.
  • 1 Jun 20th, 2017 at 9:09PM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Jun, 2017 06:11:45 AM
    EliteLitter has been editing the MCU character pages to make Iron Man out to be a poor misunderstood soul who is unfairly persecuted by the other Avengers. Reply

      At the very least it's an edit war. Calling them in.
  • 10 Jun 20th, 2017 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Jun, 2017 04:54:25 AM
    Found this page after hours of searching, checked the description. I heard that sailing and Dan were banned from this site, so, I'm asking if there are any other critics handling the TLP, or we keep it... Reply

      I don't know what this has to do with anyone who was banned, but generally speaking we don't want people writing original material on our site. I don't really see the point of the page, but it is in JFF, not the main wiki.

      The people banned are permabanned, so they won't be coming back to handle anything, their Tropers Personal Rockets included.

      I'm not sure what alnair is asking in relation to that page, though.

      Ah, I finally got it. DAN 004 is mentioned in the description as someone who frequently criticizes TL Ps. Since he's gone, alnair is wondering if we should use someone else.

      I don't think we really should bother replacing him or having anyone, really.

      The criticizing is part of the behavior that got him tapped, so he should be removed and the description edited.

      (Note: Dan violated Don't be a dick, badly. Constructive criticism given politely is fine.)

      change "argued with Dan" to "debated hotly"? Simple and works.

      ^ That would work.

      While we're at it, have you had any launched tropes to share?

      Are you referring to this sentence: "you argued with DAN 004 in the comment section to prove that it was trope-worthy"?

      I don't think we have to rewrite the text just because Dan isn't on the site anymore. I find it more engaging when it mentions someone by name rather than just using an impersonal "debated hotly" - it's more like "you were there, you know what it's like".

      On the other hand, sooner or later people are going to start wondering who DAN 004 is or was, so maybe it should be rewritten anyway. lakingsif's suggestion will certainly work.

      Well alnair, there's a list of tropes I've made (the ones I remember) at my troper page, and I think they don't need a little story

      As I said before: the article is completely pointless and has no place on our site. But it's in JFF, so it's not doing any harm unless it gets other people to do the same thing.
  • 5 Jun 20th, 2017 at 6:06AM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Jun, 2017 04:53:27 AM
    viewing the page Preacher's Kid. About representations of the children of religious ministers. It occured to me there are lots of real-life examples of the offspring of ministers, imams, rabbis, et c, who became famous in later life for one thing or another. Then i noticed that despite this being potentially a very long list - of preachers' kids plus the attribute that makes them noteworthy and how it fits the trope categories - there are no RL examples. I'm guesssing this is one of those pages where it has been decided No Real Life Examples should be added, although the page doesn't seem to expressly say this? Or a lot of examples would be there. I can see, perhaps, how the "diabolical child" category might be seen as subjective if RL examples were added and how this might cause problems (thinking of the RL vicar's son who went into rock music and ended up in prison on drugs charges... or the vicar's daughter who became famous in soft-core porn...) If this is not advisable or desireable, that's fair enough and I'll add no RL people. A note on the page to request this might then be mandated? Thanks! Reply

      There's not a need to add a note if people are already obeying the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment out of consensus. Frankly, I'm impressed if that's true.

      Ah, I see it now. No Real Life Examples, Please! opens up a long list of tropes pages for which no RL examples are permissible, and Preacher's Kid is on the list. The No Real Life Examples thing is listed at the bottom of Preacher's Kid as one of quiite a lot of indexes. It's there, but not immediately obviously so. Thank you to fighteer.

      Actually, if you check the source of that page it has [[noreallife]] after the description, which should result in a banner saying not to add Real Life examples at the top of the page.

      Interesting. I agree on Edit Page the [noreallife] part is there (Imissed this on first read!) but it isn't differentiated from the rest of the text and doesn't bring any advisory up on the main page.... no banner?

      It's a known issue that should be fixed in the next major code release.
  • 1 Jun 20th, 2017 at 10:10PM
    Western Animation
    Lastest Reply: 21st Jun, 2017 04:52:33 AM
    Hey, Tropers, I need help.

    I have been thinking about a cartoon that I remember watching once as a young child. This would place the show around the early 2000's or so. I have only seen one episode to my knowledge so my memory is a bit limited.

    The cartoon revokes around this kid who is a prankster and is always getting into trouble. He is friends with a nerdy, minority (Hispanic?) kid who helps him out. The main character, is generally just really douchey and annoying and tries to get the attention of this girl who is annoyed by his hijinks. I also remember an older character who was generally a bad influence on the main character and his friend.

    The episode I remember seemed to revolve around people loosing there pants or something. Like, the main character accidentally looses his pants so he comes up with the idea of depantsing everyone in the entire school.

    The show may have been foreign. Canadian probably. Seemed to be marketed towards kids in there late childhood years or early teens perhaps. Reply

      If you're trying to ask tropers for help, marking the topic Private isn't going to do any good. Second, you want You Know That Show.
  • 1 Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Web Original
    Lastest Reply: 20th Jun, 2017 02:07:26 PM
    Okay, so I'm a complete noob who just made an account and I wanted to create pages for Aphmau's three Machinima (did I spell that right?) Series, Minecraft Diaries, Mystreet, and Dreams of Estorra but I have no idea what I'm doing and accidentally created 3 red links, can someone just make the pages for me. Reply
  • 3 Jun 20th, 2017 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Jun, 2017 12:47:01 PM
    Main/PhilipKDick's related page says its being wicked from "Troper/Karstovich 2", but I can't find that page to either fix the link, or cut it...

    But, Troper.Karstovich 2 doesn't exist... And Tropers.Karstovich 2 links to the Creator version of the page... So, I'm not sure how the Related page is reporting what it is...

    Does it matter? ... Is it a "Ghost Wick", whatever that is? Reply

      The actual page that links to Main/PhilipKDick is Tropers/Karstovich2 (that is, TroperS with an S). It's strange that that shows up as Troper/Karstovich2 (without an S) though on Philip K. Dick's "related" page.

      But it certainly isn't a problem that that Troper's page links to the Philip K. Dick page. Your issue is probably that Karstovich2's page links to Main/PhilipKDick instead of Creator/PhilipKDick?

      I edited my first post to clarify... I might just be making a mountain out of a molehill, but I'm not sure.

      Also, periods, instead of slashes, create wicks that also display the namespaces.

      Worth noting is that links from Tropers/ pages do not count for cleanups and should not even appear on Related lists. The fact that it's from a "Troper" namespace indicates that a ghost wick may have been left behind by a cleanup process.
  • 12 Jun 19th, 2017 at 4:04AM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Jun, 2017 12:05:09 PM
    I was browsing the YMMV/Murcielago page and came across this Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy example added by danime91:

    Once you get past the loads of Fanservice and cool action moves, you remember that Koumori is a psychopathic murderer on death row, with a higher body count than every single other murderer introduced so far combined. She has no wish to atone, does not believe in serving some noble goal, and gleefully causes needless collateral damage and kills bystanders without a thought. The only reason she works with the police is because she gets to kill more people and is provided a stay of execution. An absolute horrible human being, and aside from the police, absolutely nobody seems to realize this or address it.

    Am I reading into things too much, or is this worded less like an example of DIAA and more like an attempt to sneakily bypass our restrictions on vetting Complete Monster entries by putting it as a different trope? Reply

      That's what it sounds like to me. Besides, DIAA is about hating the work because it's so dark or hopeless of a setting/story, not hating a specific character within an-otherwise engaging work.

      So should the example be cut then?

      I would. It doesn't establish any of the particulars of the trope. Now, maybe if this character is the protagonist, then DIAA might apply by virtue of the story being so dark that the audience can't find any characters to sympathize with, but at no point is this stated.

      It's not an example of DIAA as it's written, so unless you can change it into one, it should be cut.

      Fighteer, as someone who has read the work, I can say that the character being talked about is the protagonist. However, I still think the example is badly written in that it ultimately only serves as a rant about why the poster thinks the protagonist is repugnant, and not how the setting is so dark and bleak that no one cares about what happens in the story.

      I'd say that referring to the "loads of Fanservice and cool action moves" inthe very first sentence implies that there is something for the audience to like, appreciate, or be engaged with in the work. That disqualifies it from DIAA.

      Without having read the work, I agree with your assessment of the example. To be an example of DIAA, it shouldn't just describe how dark the work is, or how utterly repugnant the protagonist is, it should focus on how this fact makes the audience stop caring (they don't have to hate the work or the protagonist, as Madrugada implied above, but they should have stopped caring). So I'd say rewrite or cut.

      Different issue: there are only three tropes on the YMMV page, and this is one of them. Cutting the DIAA example will leave it as a stub by our definitions. What do?

      I don't think the "at least three examples required" rule applies to YMMV or Trivia pages.

      ^ That is correct.

      Should we talk to the troper who put that so that they know its not kosher?

      A PM is a good idea (and how they respond will say a lot).
  • 2 Jun 20th, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Jun, 2017 11:58:08 AM
    Does anyone have any idea about how to make newly developed creator pages able to be discovered via searching on Google (such as with the creator pages of Dana Delany and Graham McTavish)?

    It is still not working for their character pages to be discovered via Google. Does anyone have any idea about the reason why and what I should do? Reply

      I think you'll just have to wait for Google to find them. Their spiders crawl the web looking for new pages.

      Yeah, it can take a few hours to a few days for the search to catch up.
  • 10 Jun 13th, 2017 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Jun, 2017 09:18:28 AM
    How do you come up with a page for something that has no official name? I want to make a page for the Disney live action remakes but they don't have a franchise name. Reply

      Don't they have articles already? What would be the purpose of a collective article?

      They're in a franchise. It seems like they should have an index page considering there are going to be at least six of them. Disney seems intent on adapting as many films as they can.

      Note that "Disney Princess" has its own Franchise page, but that page only addresses the Franchise as a whole; the princesses are not listed there separately (they are listed on their movie pages).

      Analogous to that, you could make a Franchise page for the Disney live action remakes as a whole, but those movies themselves should be kept under the Disney (or Film, sometimes) namespace.

      Franchise sections are for things that exist in three or more distinct media. "Live Action Remakes" is only one, and by definition, it will nly ever be one. It doesn't qualify for a Franchise section.

      Not that I necessarily think it's a good idea, but Pichu never indicated a desire to make a Franchise/ page, just a franchise page.

      Similarly, I think making a page for the Tecmo-Koei _____ Warriors page is a good idea, but I don't know what to name the page.

      If the individual works already have articles, then what are these proposed articles for? A series index?

      Yeah, indexing it, maybe listing general tropes associated with the films, etc.

      General examples aren't allowed.

      I'm not sure Pichu-kun meant that kind of general examples. If "general" means "specific examples that apply to all the films" then they are allowed, but they must still be specific - that is, the example can't just say "this happens in all the films" without going into detail in how and where it happens.

      I'd just like to point out that we have LEGO Adaptation Game, Capcom vs. Whatever, Nick Verse, and Disney Channel Live-Action Universe, so there's precedent for pages for universes/series with no official name.

      Also, the _____ Warriors page already exists as Dynasty Warriors, since the other-franchise games are all spin-offs of that series.