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openLinking work pages from their YMMV page.
Is it okay to link to a work's main page from their same YMMV page? I ask this because Morenatsu has this example on their YMMV page where it links back to its work page:
- Fan-Preferred Couple: Judging by the fan art for Morenatsu, Hiroyuki is paired up with Tatsuki, Kounosuke, and Juuichi more than his Implied Love Interest, Torahiko.
openA Random Troper Appeared! Print Comic
Some random troper named Gate Star X tore through the Runaways characters page and broke it up into several smaller pages, without bothering to give any of us who actually maintain that page any advance warning. He didn't even bother giving an explanation as to why he did all this. Is this sort of thing actually allowed?
openCan we have a Trope Repair for Tastes Like Diabetes?
I just saw that Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy had been repaired because it became Complaining About Shows You Dont Like. Can we do the same for Tastes Like Diabetes, since there are works listed there that aren't just cuteness for cuteness sake?
openAccentuating the Negative
I feel like Website.Tumblr has an overly negative feel to it. Most of the tropes seem to talk about how banning adult comment resulted in tons of other problems. It feels like said problems are the focus of the trope page itself.
(Sorry if this isn’t making sense, I’m sleep-deprived.)
openPage With No Tropes Live Action TV
Series.Anna And The King has gone on for six months without anyone adding any Tropes, not even to the subpages (those all apply to the 1999 movie). Should we delete it? Since only one episode has received an official home video release, I doubt the list of Tropes would run very long.
openJust Eat Gilligan example Film
In the section for Avengers: Endgame, an entry has been added twice saying that Clint and Natasha should have tried to sacrifice Red Skull for the Soul Stone to see if he was lying about needing to sacrifice a loved one. There's nothing in the film to suggest that would work, and I cut the entry for that reason, but it's been re-added.
Edited by Javertshark13openEdit War happening in a RWBY page Web Original
This time it's in the Misaimed Fandom page: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=MisaimedFandom.RWBY
openFixing a YMMV Webcomic
I added several moments into the Heartwarming moments part of the YMMV for Long Exposure/Webcomic. However the Heartwarming moments is a red-link for some reason. I checked the Preview and it kept showing it as a red-link. I keep checking and changing and nothing.
openOn Public Domain Artifact
So, I have a few things to discuss about Public Domain Artifact. A few days ago I launched UsefulNotes.Holy Lance, and then troper Prime 32 was kind enough to list several dedicated pages on the Public Domain Artifact page, such as Main.Excalibur or UsefulNotes.Muramasa And Masamune.
So the things I'd like to discuss are these:
- Example transfer. Despite the existence of dedicated pages, the Public Domain Artifact page still hosts examples of said artifacts, like a section entirely dedicated to Excalibur. These examples must be moved, mainly to unclutter the Public Domain Artifact page - there's a warning that page is too long whenever someone tries to edit.
- I noticed that the page hosts examples of Holy Hand Grenade, even providing a link to the trope, even though by its own admission it's not a public domain artifact, and still under copyright.
- An issue that's been bugging me for a while now is Necronomicon. Examples of its use are listed both in this page, but also on ReferencedBy.Cthulhu Mythos, in its own section at that. Should all examples be moved from PDA to the Mythos page, or does it deserve enough for its own?
openIndentation
What should I do if a troper adds a wrongly-indented example, I fix the indentation, then the same troper reverts it back?
openEdit War
On Characters.Resident Evil Chris Redfield, Troper FudgetMuppet added an Expy entry here. Troper ultrafan then deleted it with no edit reason, only for Fudget to add it back in - and incorrectly formatted, at that.
openEdit war Web Original
Masterweaver and acela2163 are edit warring on Memes.RWBY. (Repeat occurrence on Masterweaver's end, as he was suspended for edit warring a month ago.)
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Memes.RWBY&more=t
Edited by bwburke94openHarry Potter question Literature
I don't know where the right place to ask this is, but to avoid an Edit War I'm asking it anyway.
Would you consider the books and video-game adaptations as having Comic-Book Time and Webcomic Time? I don't think the movies have Comic-Book Time though, but they do have Webcomic Time.
I was going to add these to the books linked from Franchise.Harry Potter but didn't want to get into an Edit War, and asking in a thread on the forums would derail the conversation, which is why this standalone thread is being asked?
openCanon Immigrant in a work of questionable canonicity
Is it still a Canon Immigrant if the work's canonicity is unknown? To elaborate, this instance is for Fairune Blast, which imports a boss and two playable characters from another Skipmore work KAMIKO into the world of Fairune, and is a part of Fairune Collection.
openQuestions Regarding Fridge Natter Cleanup
Tropers/Walkinshadows is going around "removing natter" from Fridge pages. By that, I mean they're cutting legitimate points of Fridge with the edit reason "Removing natter".
I noticed them doing this when I saw that they had taken a ripsaw to DuckTales (2017) S3E12 "Let's Get Dangerous!" and Mega Man Zero. Their recent edit history also shows they also "cleaned up" Rango, Speed Racer: The Next Generation, and Ghostbusters (1984).
I checked around for any mention of Fridge pages on works needing natter cleanup, and got nothing. There aren't any threads on the forums about Fridge cleanup in general. There is a natter cleanup thread, but there's no mention of Fridge during the times this troper started making these edits. Searching for posts by this troper yielded no results, so it doesn't look like they're participating in any discussion about this.
So from what I've been able to find out, it doesn't look like they're consulting other tropers before doing this.
Edited by JAG01open Word of God
While there is no source, a troper who apparently talked to the show's creator, added specific facts (the age) about some characters as "Word of God confirms..." Does that count?
openAgenda-based editing?
Malcolm Crown added these to the most recent edit on the YMMV.Them 2021 page:
- Audience-Alienating Premise: A lot of people weren’t interested in the idea of yet another TV show with a black main cast focusing on black pain and Woke Identity Politics at the expense of good storytelling. As such, many viewers both white and black just wanted a new and original horror story in the vein of Film/Us in which the main characters being black was just a matter of fact, as this would have done much more for fair representation than racism being the crux of the story, thus once more reducing people of colour to nothing more than the colour of their skin and the suffering that can come with it.
- Broken Base: Some think it’s a great, terrifying horror story that conveys the suffering of the black community in the 1950s in a visceral way that hits you like a gut punch and leaves you feeling relieved with the Catharsis Factor of the final episode, others say that it’s degradation porn and others think it’s just Woke shit.
They also added this to the Unfortunate Implications part:
- All of the black characters are completely good and all of the white characters are corrupt, weak or pure evil. This is in stark contrast with other stories about injustice such as To Kill a Mockingbird or X-Men which makes a point that immorality and bigotry can come from either side of the aisle.
- As in Get Out!!, the most despicable among the white human antagonists is a woman, which is full of Unfortunate Implications of racist misogyny towards white women, not helped by the recent emergence of the Karen meme. What makes this worse is that Alison Pill has herself described Betty as a "Karen".
Their edit reason was: "Much as I love the show, it's not above criticism." No citations for their Unfortunate Implications and violating the 6-month wait rule for Broken Base aside, the "woke shit", "woke identity politics" phrasing and seeing Betty's storyline as racist towards white women are rather concerning.
I've also checked their edit history and I'm not sure what to make of it since I'm not familiar with these other works, but I've also found an edit on YMMV.Torchwood that removes mention of Torchwood being believers in "extreme imperialistic and racist British nationalism" to just "extreme nationalism", with the edit reason being "Torchwood are never shown to be racist and not everyone would say that imperialism and nationalism are necessarily evil."
Outside of that, their other edits including on the other Series.Them 2021 pages seem fine, but these still feel like red flags.
Edited by CommanderVisoropen Should be YMMV
Aluminum Christmas Trees is in the main namespace, but should be YMMV. The main thing to it is "the audience misunderstands a reference to a real but obscure thing as something fictional". It is not a trope of the narrative, but something intrinsically tied to the audience and the way it perceives the work. Especially as the in-universe examples are already in another trope, Eskimos Aren't Real, and both already clarify that one is the audience reaction and another the in-universe trope.
And I think that it should be YMMV and not Trivia because obscurity depends on each one's knowledge of the referenced topic. Using the image example, where someone would say "What? A Smiley face on Mars? They are taking the smiley motif too far!", someone with high knowledge of astronomy would say "Oh, look, they included the Galle crater, the one that looks like a smiley. Neat!"
For the record, there was a previous discussion here. Just 4 comments (including the opening one), and a decade ago. And one of them mentions Technology Marches On being in the mainspace as well, which is no longer the case (it's Trivia now).
openFormatting for skill names (if any) Videogame
i noticed on some of the game-related pages i've been to over the past few weeks that some skill names are italicized, which i find a bit weird because i was under the impression that that's reserved for work titles. do we have any style guidelines regarding this, or do we just leave skill names in plain text? the aforementioned page i linked has no mention of what i'm looking for.
How did you determine if a media page gets its own heartwarming moments page?