BlazBlue: General thread.

Thank you. Truth is, aside of that one troper we've been pretty calm. But someone really need to be given a chill pill.

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edited 27th Apr '18 4:55:52 AM by ZeroDozer

Growing up, it's like a civil war, don't turn away, it's something you can't ignore...

If you can't chill, take it out of the site. I swear, you are looking like someone who wants to get banned.

Nice hit, because I don't want to get banned.

edited 27th Apr '18 4:37:10 AM by ZeroDozer

Growing up, it's like a civil war, don't turn away, it's something you can't ignore...

Well, it's not me who shits on story, but others (for example most on Discord). I even got ridiculed for following it. The reason is (beware; not all of these are sensible) because the story can be too complicated (aka "wack" for them), they also said "too many plotholes" (are the LN(s) they may not know about answers the plotholes btw?), "time-travel bullshit". Also good amount of west players hate Celica and says the story turns worse solely because of her presence (Even wrong claims like she come from nowhere, she was in Phase Shift LN and it's even hinted of her).

Well story-driven or not it still add deep mechanic to the fighting part. It wasn't on EVO because of it's supposed unpopularity in west compared to mainstream fighters and being considered inferior in every way to GG? CMIIW about this.

Well aside from dub, I also had a gripe for BBCF that wraps Ragna's story; lack of Unlimited characters. The Grand Finale should also give you climatic battles in gameplay...those who need it (both parties Unlimited):

• Ragna vs Nine (final battle)
• Ragna vs Izanami (final battle)
• Ragna vs Hazama
• Naoto vs Ragna (berserk)
• Es vs Susano'o
• Jin vs Susano'o (maybe even only normal Susano'o)
• Ragna (perm. 100 Heat) vs Susano'o
• Ragna vs Terumi

Actually Kagura vs Azrael doesn't need Unlimited... well Az is going to (Lv. 4 Dragunov release) but Jin Astral'ed him.

The fact remains that most Western players are of the mindset that fighting games do not need a complex plot. Its not as universal as it was, but it's still there.

Now granted, Blazblue requires that you know a lot of side material and time travel shit to begin comprehending the story and that definitely is a turn off for people who just wanna mash buttons and will only pay a passing glance at story mode.

Is it ignorant? Yes, but that's how most people on the Internet work.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

Funny you mention that, because over in the MVCI thread the opposite was claimed to be true: where fighting games with stories are bcomiing the standard in order to catch up to Netherealm. I think its a bit uh...not as clear cut, but I have noticed my fighting games with a lot more capaigns than usual.

Evolving standards. Video game stories used to be barebones. Now, we expect more.

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.

NetherRealm Studios ALWAYS had complex stories for Mortal Kombat, ever since it was just Midway and the game was Mortal Kombat 3. I dare to say Mortal Kombat is quite the Ur-Example to what the Soul Series and BlazBlue would become.

So what's the problem with making a complex story for a fighting game? Did they sacrifice the goddamn gameplay so that story could exist or that Arcade Mode with endings could be added? No, they didn't. Hence why Street Fighter III became a goddamn Cult Classic over the years, and Street Fighter IV managed to revive the whole FGC.

But the guy on the Gohan portrait seems happy that Katsuhiro Harada quite much slapped a half-assed story on Tekken 7 in favor of tournament gameplay, given this guy is the one who promised Tekken 7 would wrap the Mishima storyline arc. Even for a franchise where the story barely makes sense, that Story Mode was just insulting.

For a note: Do you actually think Capcom and Namco even notice Netherrealm Studios? Really? Because I don't think Mortal Kombat is a big franchise on the East.

Also, rushing shit for EVO has become quite the new norm for fighting games. Why didn't anyone coin the term "EVO Rushed" yet?

edited 27th Apr '18 5:57:08 PM by ZeroDozer

Growing up, it's like a civil war, don't turn away, it's something you can't ignore...

I mean, it did wrap up the Mishima storyline. Since Jin is only half a Mishima, and identifies as a Kazama.

Also dude, don't shove words into people's mouths.

edited 27th Apr '18 5:02:40 PM by Emperordaein

A corpse should be left well enough alone...

No, it only solved one exact point of that entire shit, which is Kazuya and Heihachi's feud.

Lars, Jin and Asuka are left aside like pigs. Tekken 7 goes out of its way to shunt the fucking Final Boss in favor of Heihachi and Kazuya.

Do not come telling me Harada kept his word, because this does not look anything like his word was kept. The Mishima story lore was quite much more than only Heihachi and Kazuya. You'd have to ignore three protagonists shoehorned from Tekken 3 to 6 to actually believe Harada kept his word.

Just ask yourself: If everything was about Heihachi and Kazuya, why the fuck did Harada even add Jin, Asuka and Lars to the plot in the first place? Why does Tekken 7 even have a Final Boss?

^{There's also this little detail, but it's not important to the discussion} We could go on forever about the character ending bullshit. Thing is, if the very story of Tekken 7 is divisive by itself, the very fact its Arcade Mode refuses to be traditional or even convenient sparks enough discussion to denigrate any thread into Casual-Competitive Conflict.

And putting this entire thing back on the rails, there's the fact Arc System and Mori made Blaz Blue to have an actual story since the first game, nacht. Blaz Blue's niche was never meant to be the same as Tekken or Street Fighter. It just happened to have attracted Guilty Gear fans and surfaced right as the Fighting Game Community got reborn. Demanding Blaz Blue of all franchises to have less story just to appease to older fighting game standards is nothing short of ridiculous.

Especially on a time where gaming companies already are catering to competitive players and shaving BASIC content just so the game gets released to tournament players.

Which just happens to be the exact cause for the entire Central Fiction dub fuckfest that made me come here.

edited 27th Apr '18 5:56:41 PM by ZeroDozer

Growing up, it's like a civil war, don't turn away, it's something you can't ignore...

You know, I really don't appreciate having words being put in my mouth and being accused of something I never did.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

What would I be accusing you, is of saying that Blaz Blue should have lesser focus on story so it attracts more "serious" players. At least you sounded pretty much like it.

Growing up, it's like a civil war, don't turn away, it's something you can't ignore...

I was explaining it's perception to other players and how its perceived. How the hell do you get "Blazblue shouldn't have a story" from that, I was pretty clear with what I said.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

First of all, Blazblue is a fighting game first and foremost so it will always try to appeal to competitive players in the long run. Second, I know this is a controversial opinion but a series having/not having a dub shouldn't be a deal breaker. And going back to the first point, its not like Blazblue is a simplistic fighter, far from it. Blazblue is already one of the hardest fighters to play because of how complicated it is, hence why there is a stylish mode in the first place. Story in fighting games? I'm 50/50 on it. On one hand it shouldn't be THE main focus of the game itself, but on the other hand, if it is, make it good, and not too overly complicated but not too simplistic to the point of being dumb, like Marvel Infinite

edited 27th Apr '18 11:08:29 PM by AlphaVII

Warrior to the very end! My tumblr, dood!

To me this exact case (unlike Guilty Gear Xrd) is a dealbreaker due to Blaz Blue's history with its dub.

Long gone are the times when every game (Not just fighting games) had only an Excuse Plot. Blaz Blue is proof of a franchise that was born already with a complex story in mind. It wasn't born on the same age as Tekken (Shortly after Tekken appeared, Soul Blade appeared as well, and you know how well the Soul Series is known by its lore) or Street Fighter.

Just because a game has a complex story and lore doesn't mean gameplay will get overshadowed. Lore and Qo L expectations in a fighting game, especially one such as Blaz Blue, have become higher with time.

Indeed, I could have cried foul at SNK refusing to make an english dub for The King of Fighters XIV, but I kept cool on it because I know how they work on their games, and what happened last time they tried to hire western actors to dub a KoF game. Same for Guilty Gear. Only one reason is enough to explain this:

These two franchises never had an english dub around from its very foundation like Blaz Blue had.

For Blaz Blue, a dub is already basic content. And Arc System took that from players right at the most important chapter. I'm not obliged to take that in stride. Especially with this crossover looming.

Growing up, it's like a civil war, don't turn away, it's something you can't ignore...

What certain is Jin and Lars was added for more playable characters, and Asuka is to replace Jun. So it's more Tekken 7 wraps up the origin of problems in Mishima family ( Kazumi having Devil Gene and attacking Heihachi, becoming a Start of Darkness for him and screws up his descendants.) and Jin is set for T8.

The fact people should realize is BB is 2 separate game; fighting and VN. The story mode is VN and has nothing to do with the gameplay like online, arcade (only some skippable cutscenes), and other modes aside for unlocking only 1 character each game (Mu-12, Kagura, Susano'o). So those who doesn't care about story (Like Discord who shits on story for reasons I listed, but they aren't button-mashers nor "Stop Having Fun" Guys who forces to play top-tier, Game FA Qs shits mostly solely on Celica) just can skip story w/o affecting ur gameplay (aside from minor things such as different intros, dialogues, and victory poses in char A vs char B), but don't be turned off from BB just because it has complex story.

Those who are mad because story clogs up the storage, just delete it ._.

Tbf games nowadays can be updated through DLC (free/not depends on the greed of the companies) like BBCF which doesn't need Extend to add Jubei much later, nine years after first game. But I'm asking for Unlimited characters more than dubs for those story fights I listed (And Ragna, Nine, and Izanami already have one programmed... ._.).

Tbh I also didn't like that they announced BBCTB before CF is complete (It's incomplete without those IMO) for the sake of Mori as a fan of RWBY.

edited 27th Apr '18 11:51:38 PM by asdfr

I said multiple times on Shoryuken that I'd fucking buy both the game and the DLC if the dub was released as such.

Then again, Arc System is now pushing a new product, meaning they'll abandon the old one. So tell me, should I really keep quiet seeing all of this?

I said it once and I'll say it again; I am not a conformist.

Growing up, it's like a civil war, don't turn away, it's something you can't ignore...

I think what some people want out of fighting games is just generally more content.

Not necessarily single-player but stuff that you want to work for.

Like Injustice 2's gear system, I'm more compelled to play the game cause I have cool stuff to work for.

Though I understand that's hard for any game to do while Injustice luckily has a lot of backing for it to be able to go the distance.

edited 27th Apr '18 11:58:46 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Ok, there seems to be a bit of a misconception about Cross Tag Battle, so lemme clear things up.

It is a Spin Off, NOT a replacement for CF. Mori even said in an interview that it's a game separate from the main Blazblue series and that he would continue to support CF in the near future whether its with new characters or updated changes.

So no, CF isn't dead no matter how many people tell you otherwise, those are just people that are too ignorant to realize an obvious Spin Off.

Unless you're gonna tell me that Street Fighter X Tekken was a replacement for Street Fighter IV.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

May I keep myself skeptical at this? Really, it helps me coping with disappointment should I really be proven right.

Growing up, it's like a civil war, don't turn away, it's something you can't ignore...

Dude, it's a video game. Most people who were upset about the dub have already moved on, its been almost three years. Its time to move on and focus on other things instead of clinging to something that's not going to change.

I understand how much you like the game, but its not that serious to be this emotionally involved about it. Life goes on, the sun rises, and you'll live to see another day without Blazblue's dub.

edited 28th Apr '18 12:22:42 AM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

Sounds like you're saying is that you don't care what anyone else has to say, and you just want to yell about something you don't like. Correct me if i'm wrong on that, I wouldn't want to put words into someone else's mouth.

A corpse should be left well enough alone...

I've been having to listen to constant moaning about the dub for a few years now, so continuously hearing people talk about it has kind of worn my patience admittedly. I edited my post to make it less confrontational.

But my feelings haven't changed; there's a difference between "sticking to your guns" and just being plain old stubborn...and I don't think an english voice track in a video game is something to get so worked up about, but that's just me.

And I say this as somebody who was also initially disappointed at the lack of a dub in CF; yea I wanted it too and was kind of upset that I didn't get it. None of that stops me from playing CF and still enjoying to play it to this day though.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

IIRC Japan kinda shits on Mortal Kombat, kinda weird since the series actually had a few Japanese adverts for the first three games, subtitles for the first two games and even a Japan-only PSX port. Still, in terms of story and characterization, NRS have been REALLY knocking it out of the park, so far out of the park its outstripped Phineas Fogg and hit lightspeed. There's more character and personality in the Mortal Kombat X battle intros than in both of Capcom's laughable and charitable attempts at story modes. Not to say Blazblue is bad but boy have NRS been trying their arses off.

Sooner or later they may have to take notice.