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I'll give a for Jackal. Shin I'm on the fence about, but he doesn't seem heinous enough to be a CM.

So where are we at regarding Navi Araz? Should we cut him?

I will say to the Jackal, Kazuma and Mr. Abney and to Alex and Shin.

Sometimes I wonder if for certain characters being a monster has become so iconic for them, that other writers writing these characters in other adaptions almost always write them this way. The likes of Joker, Red Skull and Brainiac often seem to be written as monsters in other media adaptions. Palpatine when appearing outside the movies is never given sympathetic traits and given new crimes to add to his rap sheet. Ramsay Snow's appearance in the telltale games version of GOT has added new crimes to his rap sheet. If Bullseye appears in the Daredevil show, it seems likely he will be monster.

This can apply to other characters and other tropes, being an Anti-Villain is an iconic part of Magneto's character, so much so that he given this trait in cartoons and movies. Its so iconic, that I don't care for the monstrous Ultimate Magneto, he seems like a far weaker character to me then his more noble counterparts.

Now this is not always the case, Ultron is a complete monster in the comics, but not in any of the media adaptions. Malekith is a GVD in the movies, Darkseid is often a GDV some adaptions. So some characters are not as iconic monsters as others are.

edited 31st May '15 6:11:24 PM by Overlord

Here is my writeup for the Bone Collector:

The Bone Collector: The Bone Collector, is a cunning yet cold blooded psychopath who captures innocent victims in a taxi while masquerading as a taxi driver, surgically and painfully removes a bone to be used as clues, and challenges the paraplegic detective Lincon Rhyme, and a cop named Amelia Donaghy, to save them within a certain period of time. If they don't make it, the victims will die a horrifically cruel and gruesome death. The killer does this in order to torture Lincoln Rhyme out of revenge, and to ensure that he succeeds, most of his victims never had a real chance to be saved. He captures a couple, shot and buried the husband, and tied up his wife in front of an open steam pipe, which is set to go off at a certain time. The woman couldn't be saved, since the killer sawed off the handle of a steam valve, so that the police can't turn off the steam. As a result, the victim dies by being burned alive by an enormous quantity of steam blasted at her. A college graduate was also captured by the killer, who ties him up, and cuts him open to be eaten alive by rats. The killer left no deadline this time in his clues, implying that the graduate had no chance to be rescued at all. Outside of his challenge, the killer has claimed another victim: the original taxi driver, with his bone removed. It is also revealed that during Lincon Rhyme's 2 year coma, the killer already murdered numerous victims. The Bone Collector then kills a traffic officer who tried to pull him over, while escaping with two victims, an elderly grandfather, and his young granddaughter, and ties them to a pier so that they will drown, showing that the killer is willing to murder children too. When Donaghy frees the two victims, the grandfather is already dead, but the poor girl barely survives. After luring Donaghy away, the killer then targets Rhyme, stabbing Thelma in the gut and killing her, along with Captain Cheney. He then confronts Rhyme, while cutting off all communication. He reveals himself to be a former forensics cop called Marcus Andrews, who goes by the identity of Richard Thompson, Rhyme's technician. It is revealed that the killer framed six people by doctoring reports and tampering with evidence, and one of them hung himself as a result. The killer believes they were guilty and scum, but even worse is that he believes his work was impeccable, displaying no empathy at all for these victims, and as a result of Rhyme's expert opinion, ended up in prison, and was abused for six years. However, any possible sympathy for this bastard is lost when he gleefully and remorselessly taunts Rhyme that he and his helper failed and couldn't save those victims, and that their blood was on his hands. The killer then proceeds to give Rhyme a fate worse than death; by paralyzing him permanently and completely so that Rhyme becomes a living vegetable, which is Rhyme's worst fear that the killer knows about, and mocks his fate, saying “what kind of vegetable would you like to be? A carrot? How about a zucchini?” When he is unable to do that, he When he failed to do that, he threatens to cut out his tongue, remove his eye, but ultimately settles to gut him open right down the middle, as Rhyme watches. Despite the Freudian Excuse, it was self-inflicted, and in the end, the Bone Collector is a truly remorseless bastard.

Note: For this writeup, the killer has quite a large onscreen bodycount, each with different details that illustrates how evil the killer is, a weak Freudian Excuse that is thrown out when he gloats about his atrocities, and tries to cripple and torture Lincoln Rhyme, so it might be difficult to shorten, at least for me.

edited 31st May '15 6:25:49 PM by SinisterHoodedFigure2

Way too long.

Now that's a Wall of Text. It's appreciated, but damn. ACW, kindly do your magic after someone cuts it down?

to Jackal, and to Shin. It's obvious who the greater of the two evils is here.

Mother of god. Ok, if all else fails, can we at least agree that if a single entry requires scrolling to read, it's too long?

I can agree with that.

• 40159: Thanks. Took care of those.
• 40160: Not sure, but probably one is needed.
• 40163: I don't know. Though if Navi goes, Marwan probably needs to be added.
• 40165 on: Yes, too long (thanks for writing one). Kyle, probably . Scraggle, sure, but it needs to be MASSIVELY trimmed.

edited 31st May '15 6:50:46 PM by ACW

How's this updated writeup?

• The Bone Collector: The Bone Collector abducts anyone in a taxi after killing the original driver, surgically removes a bone to be used as clues, and challenges Lincoln Rhyme, and Amelia Donaghy, to save them within a time limit, or else, the victims will die a horrifically cruel and gruesome death. However, most of his victims never had a real chance to be saved. Victims' fates include being scorched by steam, eaten by rats, drowning, and other collateral deaths, especially during Rhyme's 2 year coma. Only a very young girl barely survived being drowned. The killer then confronts Rhyme, after killing Thelma along with Captain Cheney. Revealed to be a former forensics cop who framed six people; one which hung himself. The killer believes they were guilty scum, and his work was impeccable. After going to prison, he wants revenge on Rhyme. The killer then gleefully taunts Rhyme that he and his helper couldn't save those victims. The killer then proceeds to completely paralyze Rhyme as a living vegetable, (Rhyme's worst fear) while mocking his fate. When he is unable to do that, he settles to gut Rhyme alive, after considering other methods. Despite his six year abuse in prison, it was self-inflicted, so the Bone Collector is cold blooded, remorseless, and sadistically revenge driven.

edited 31st May '15 10:05:50 PM by SinisterHoodedFigure2

Better, but still too long

Serviceable, but could maybe use a bit more work. Much better though.

That's legitimately the longest entry I've ever seen.

Palpatine's entry on Star Wars used to be longer than that.

Well, this is as short as I can make the writeup, since the Bone Collector does have an explainable yet inexcusable Freudian Excuse , and actions beyond just dissecting, shooting, and horrifically murdering people in different ways, while giving false hope. A massive bodycount is heavily implied, based on numerous photos of past victims with their surgery marks, such as his utter lack of empathy towards his victims, even the framed victims, and sheer sadism towards his hated target, and those are his defining traits.

edited 31st May '15 8:14:28 PM by SinisterHoodedFigure2

Palpatine is the main villain of the largest publishing era in a multi-media franchise that is nearly 40 years old. This guy is the antagonist of a single movie.

I thought a write up of Bill Cox would have to be done by one of the editors to make it official.

No. If you propose them, it's courteous to write them up if they're voted up.

You're posting here, that makes you one of the editors. We're not the 5P - this isn't some select cabal of users who hold exclusive power over the trope. It's completely open to anyone with too much free time and a tendency to be overly pedantic

edited 31st May '15 10:47:20 PM by KyleJacobs

SPOILER ALERT FROM GAME OF THRONES

What about The Night's King from Game of Thrones. He's literally devoted his existence to destroying all life, gloats over Wildling corpses to Jon before converting them to his army, and turns infants into White Walkers. The Made of Evil excuse doesn't work for him because he was even a tyrant (implied complete monster off screen) while he was human and willingly went out of his way to become King of the White Walkers. He is shown as basically having full mental faculties and is capable of showing human emotion but chooses to embody pride and cruelty. Everyone is scared and disgusted by him.

I'm nowhere near caught up on the show or books and have only the faintest idea who you're talking about, but I feel pretty confident in saying that unless they're dead then their arc isn't complete enough to discuss them.

edited 1st Jun '15 12:15:40 AM by KyleJacobs

That's what I would havev thought too but some other characters from the show, such as Ramsay Snow, are considered a complete monster despite not being dead yet. Likewise I don't see any way the Night's King could redeemed in any way.

It's a shame Complete Monsters cannot have a Heel–Face Turn because lord knows I'd suggest Dusknoir from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers. He does all of Darkrai's dirty work, tries to bloodily execute the main characters (bloodless carnage is in effect, but it it wasn't...), plans to completely wipe out the present day so that the Bad future lasts forever and that he can live forever, as well as stealing the souls of his victims and using Grovyle's body in his plan to comoletely annihilate the present. But since he had a HFT in bonus content, I don't think he can count. Although if we treat the bonus episode and the main story (the bonus content is only in one game) as separate, he could count.

That's of course assuming we want to assume his HFT was genuine and he wasn't eventually planning to backstab everyone.

edited 1st Jun '15 1:24:17 AM by Klavice

40181: We'll have to wait, but he definitely seems like someone to keep an eye on at least.

I'd say put the Night's King on the wait and see list.

Recently I said Navi Araz should be cut. Now that I finished to see the 4 season of 24 I changed my mind. He's definetly a CM. His worried look on his face when he's ordered his son's death I guess was just an act to avoid his wife's suspicion. I also think both him and Marwan should be conidered CM. Marwan after Abu Fayed has the most succeful bodycounts of innocent people. The meltdown of the nuclear reactor it's possible it caused more or less 50,000 deaths. He smiles when he sees a baby but I don't thik it's a Pet the Dog moment. It looks like more an ironic "Oh, how cute". He gives a speech to justify his actios but I see it just as propaganda. The scene with his family was cut so it doesn't count as a redeeming trait.

About Ramon Salazar I'm still unsure for "the decent buryal" thing

edited 1st Jun '15 4:17:43 AM by ST89