Condemned by History cleanup thread

Suggestion: Could the Superfriends cartoon count? In the 70s up to the mid-80s it was probably the most succesful superhero cartoon going, but nowadays most people just look at its flaws and with numerous better superhero cartoons out there it's hardly remembered except in parodies (like the recent Classic Titans episode of Teen Titans Go!).

It was never really hated, though. Even when it was a punchline, it was always an affectionate one.

I'd argue that's not the case for Aquaman, who has been (really quite unfairly) struggling with its legacy for literal decades. But that's a personal pet peeve - overall it's clearly not an example.

Not sure if Emo Music's truly DTD. While it has gained mockery, I've seen a decent amount of 2000's nostalgia look back on it more softly.

So, what about Ultimate Marvel? There has been a discussion, but it ended in a tie. For removing: Fighteer, me (and perhaps High Crate at the DTD discussion page, which led me here). For keeping: Fuzzy Barbarian, Hamburger Time (the OP). I would like the opinion of some other users, to break the tie.

As for the discussion, I have said many things, and Fuzzy Barbarian has said many other things. Long story short, I listed several things that, IMHO, suggest that there is not an actual backlash against the whole imprint, it just decreased the sales and got cancelled (after a 15 years run), but its style has been fully adopted my modern comics. FB does not agree. FB agreed that there is no backlash from other comic book writers, and claims that the backlash is in the fanbase, but did not provide any actual evidence of that. I have been recently working in the wikipedia article of the Ultimate Marvel imprint, and although I saw some fan protesting here and there at "comments" sections, fan reviews or forums (as well as others who loved it), I never saw anywhere a non-involved site saying that the whole of Ultimate Marvel is now reviled (I did found some such references for a general rejection of Ultimatum, but that's just a single publication within the 15 years franchise).

Like I said, I was just reporting what I've seen.

As I said at the time, in my personal experience Ultimate Marvel isn't the first thing most comics fans I've encountered go to when they mock narmy "edgy" modern comics. Though that's purely ancedotal, and I do think the current entry's "universe full of Designated Heroes and a good Spider-Man" is a fairly common consensus as well. On the whole, though, I'm not sure it's really a qualifier.

I remain in favor of removing it.

It hasn't been 20 years, but I think Emo music is slowly becoming a Popularity Polynomial status.

Oh, on another note, I'd say Torture Porn horror movies probably qualify for DTD status. Were fairly popular when they first came out and dominated the horror movie market for the better part of the 2000s, but between oversaturation, poorly made "follow the leader" flicks and backlash there hasn't been a single one I've seen get big in recent memory, and in general no one really remembers the genre all that fondly.

Anecdotally, I know a couple people who are still fans of the Saw franchise. They don't seem to be getting released at the same clip, but I haven't seen any particular backlash.

Found this on Haruhi Suzumiya:

• Deader Than Disco: One of the ultimate examples of this trope. Though there are fans who still keep up with the light novels, the series is widely considered this in the eyes of the mainstream anime community. This series' case is interesting due to how fast its downfall happened. Once an anime juggernaut with legions of fans during the late 2000s, during The New '10s it's hardly ever talked about, and when it is talked about it usually isn't remembered fondly or considered to have been overrated. This is largely due to how Kyoto Animation handled the base-breaking "Endless Eight" episodes that caused the second season of the anime to flop, as well as its basic premise and tropes being copied endlessly since it first became popular. Even when the spinoff anime The Vanishing of Nagato Yuki-chan premiered in 2015, it didn't bring back very much of the original fervor people had for the series. The light novels themselves have been on hiatus since 2011, and with light novel trends overwhelmingly leaning towards Harem Series during The New '10s, it's unlikely that they'll be able to make much of a comeback if they ever continue. From king of the world to scraping the bottom of the barrel, all in a couple years.
  • It even affected the popularity of other shows. Lucky Star made tons of references to Haruhi and even shared cast members (Aya Hirano and Wendee Lee voiced the leads on both shows). At the time it just came off as self-indulgent. Nowadays, considering where fandoms have gone, it just comes off as awkward.

That's mostly just talking about base breaking stuff, and complaining. The example pretty much admits it doesn't actually fit.

From YMMV.Sony Pictures Animation:

• Deader Than Disco: Back in their early days, SPA was actually quite well-respected since the movies they produced (such as Open Season and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs) were widely popular during their respective releases. Then, after the infamous Sony hack, the studio pretty much lost most if not all of its supporters after extreme backlash over a lot of questionable choices they've been making (such as the cancellation of two Genndy Tartakovsky movies ^note an adaptation of Popeye and an original feature titled Can You Imagine? and a Lauren Faust movie ^note a film based off of Medusa, as well as the release of the above-mentioned Emoji Movie).

I'd say it's too soon to judge (the company's in the black last I heard) and most of it is bile over Emoji Movie, which the whole page could use a scouring of. Objections.

Fails the man-on-the-street test. Move to delete.

Seconded

From YMMV.Farm Ville:

• Farmville was once amongst the most popular video game franchises ever in the late 2000s and was seen as the go-to casual game series. It started trends for casual games and free-to-play games as a whole. The casual game market is notoriously fluid though and games tend to be replaced within a few years. By 2013, Farmville had been debunked by games like Candy Crush Saga and is largely seen as a relic of the past.

Does it count?

That's not an example. It doesn't establish any retroactive backlash and seems more like a case of people moving on to something else.

Suzumiya and Sony above are clearly cases of Complaining About Shows You Dont Like, not Deader than Disco. I say pull.

Farmville, not so sure.

Farmville had a Periphery Hatedom all along. (A combination of "real gamers" who scorned it, and non-gamers who were annoyed by its spammish social media presence.)

If you subtract that out, I think you're simply left with a game whose popularity has declined, as is common for video games. Not an example.

Apologies if this was discussed before (this is an enormous thread) but why was The Benny Hill Show example cut? It seems very much an example of something that was once very popular before being ruthlessly savaged due to Values Dissonance and then largely fading from view (at least in it's native country.)

Perhaps it has something to do with a peripheral fanbase through Americans that cancel out this trope.

Or it also has to fo with the theme song.

Now that I think about it, do you think Germans Love David Hasselhoff cancels out Deader Than Disco due to one thing now being shunned by one country and is adored by another? I might have asked it before or not, due to the size of the thread.

edited 17th Nov '17 9:20:45 PM by alnair20aug93

Out of curiosity, is Internet Explorer really Deader Than Disco; with everyone remembering it for the memetic reason for being slow and just there to download other browsers?

No, IE is still in common use. It's disliked but not dead yet.

And it's always been disliked, mostly because people like to dislike anything Microsoft does.