Classic Yu-Gi-Oh! Sequel Movie

That was explicitly a crossover, though, so I'd count that as an exception. Unless this fight takes place post-GX, it would still be way too early.

And yeah, whether the first player draws may be a concern, but it's not as straightforward an issue as you may think, since the original series has been running in Japan, remastered, alongside ARC-V. (The Legendary Fisherman III was used in ARC-V the same week as the Mako Tsunami episode)

EDIT: The thing with Wonder Wand isn't exclusive to Pendulum and is an issue with stuff like Macro Cosmos as well. Macro Cosmos + Gravekeeper's Servant attack lock is from 2006, far predating pendulum, for example.

If there's something unintuitive, it's the Obvious Rule Patch that says Xyz materials aren't on the field.

edited 9th Jul '15 1:54:11 PM by burnpsy

Ohhh, is that why Arc-V has all the classic series throwbacks? Like the Battleguards and stuff? Cool.

Anyways, I doubt Synchros will turn up, but I think they could so long as there's some Hand Wave dialogue like, "I synchro summon Azure-Eyes Silver Dragon!" "Synchro WHAT?" "It's a new gameplay mechanic Industrial Illusions is experimenting with. I was given an early test copy, but it won't be available to the public for years."

...On second thought, that'd be really hamfisted and awkward. But well, seeing Kaiba summon Azure-Eyes with the synchro chant and everything would be worth it.

That it would. I'm imagining what sort of chant Kaiba would use right now.

What bugs me most about Pendulums is their interactions with Macro Cosmos and the like. If my Pendulums are going to my Extra Deck, bypassing the grave completely, then how the hell does MC still banish them?!

But putting that aside, I'm hoping Yugi pulls out that glorious Kuriboh - Sphere Mode at some point. Gotta keep trollin' Kaiba forever with those things.

Yeah, I have a feeling the duel's gonna be hilarious if they use the more trolly cards.

I believe the thing with Macro/D-Fissure VS Pendulum is a case of semantics and how card effects supercede rules. Pendulums sent to the graveyard go to the Extra Deck instead, but Macro banishes them instead. Macro takes priority and banishes them when they would be sent to the graveyard.

Poster.

Kaiba's wearing an ARC-V duel disc.

The title involves dimensions.

...Mother of God.

it's cool that the poster is actually illustrated by takahashi himself. his new art is fantastic.

http://thewittyphantom.tumblr.com/post/123844168873/bakura-is-in-the-movie-they-remembered-he-exists

Well, I'm way more excited for this now that I know there's a plot beyond "Yugi and Kaiba duel AGAIN."

Looks like that's not an Arc-V Duel Disk, but a brand new Disk Kaiba's invented. I guess it doesn't catch on, though, seeing as the Battle City Disk's still being used in GX and in 5d's flashbacks...

Hmm, the poster seems to show Atem with his back turned (You can tell it's him cuz of the telltale yellow hair spike). And the villain has... an ankh in his hair?

Ankh's symbolize eternal life, so maybe this is a hint that the villain's plan involves resurrecting Atem's spirit for some nefarious reason?

edited 11th Jul '15 7:41:32 PM by spashthebandragon

Time to give it a trope page? :D

Yu Gi Oh The Darkside Of Dimensions

edited 11th Jul '15 9:10:20 PM by lalalei2001

Our first look at older Joey, Tristan, Tea, and Bakura.

They don't look much different. :S

Bakura hasn't even changed his shirt...

Some new pics with a better look at the new Duel Disks. Also, I notice the back of the cards look more like they did in Zexal.

edited 15th Jul '15 8:33:21 AM by spashthebandragon

More pictures.

Trailer's up!

http://www.yugioh20th.com/

And here's a translation.

I think at this point, it's safe to say this will be lightyears better than Pyramid of Light...

I liked Pyramid of Light and this looks so awesome XD I can't wait! (I recently reread the manga to prepare for it, since the new movie's manga-based.)

edited 18th Jul '15 7:45:40 AM by lalalei2001

Okay, I'm confused about this supposedly being based on the manga. First off, the manga and anime are basically the same, just with the anime having more filler and skimming over the pre-Duelist Kingdom stuff. Second off, the manga had slightly different rules (like only having five zones for all your cards), and I REALLY doubt the movie's gonna suddenly stop using official TCG/OCG rules at this point just for the sake of continuity.

Until I see some hard evidence otherwise (like if the Battle City Duel Disks look like the manga versions instead of the anime version), I'm going to assume this movie's still in the anime continuity.

I think what's going on here is that the story's being written by Kazuki Takahashi, and he wrote the original manga, so since that's what he's more familiar with, that's what he's using as a reference for the story. But it's not actually going to matter in the long run since the anime's so similar anyways.

You have not read the manga. Anime starts at Duelist Kingdom while Manga has three story arcs and a lot of stand alone chapter before that. The first episode is actually a two part manga chapter merged with a story arc. Dungeon Dice Monsters arc is way different in the manga and actually has a point besides introducing Ryuji Otogi/Duke Devlin (think of it merged with the two parter with Marik controlling Bandit Keith). Also, normal Bakura's role is larger in the manga than in the anime. Millenium World's sequence of events also differ greatly between the manga and anime.

EDIT: Here's this entry for being removed from the YMMV page for being too complainy.

• Macekre: 4Kids's dubbing methods aside, the anime's adaptation (both versions, Toei's 1998 anime and Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters) of the manga is iffy, and especially when you add filler into the mix, the manga comes across as a lot more sensible and better-paced story. When the Abridged Series pokes most of the fun at the changes from the manga than the 4Kids's dub starting with mocking Duel Monsters by turning into a children's card game and lampshading at how Solomon got severely injured over a children's card game, you know that something is clearly wrong with the anime.
  • Too many glaring differences between the anime and manga to list them all on one TV Tropes YYMV page, especially for the Millennium World arc. The Millennium World arc in the anime is practically an Alternate Universe take on the manga arc rather than an adaptation. Character roles and motivations are changed, plot progression is different, and the manga explains the rules behind the Shadow RPG much more clearly. But one big example regarding the setting used is the fact that the manga arc actually takes place in the Domino City Museum where Dark Yugi and Dark Bakura are revealed to be playing a D&D-style role-playing game, which used a diorama depicting the pharaoh's kingdom, made by Ryou Bakura (who was being subconsciously manipulated by Dark Bakura into making, thinking it was some creative thing for the museum exhibit), as the playing board. They are seen actually playing the game like any other tabletop role-playing game. Dark Bakura even narrates GM-style at some points (as well as Zorc's dialogue), the "game pieces" and their respective character cards had HP bars, Dark Yugi in-character as always tries to trick Dark Bakura using role-player psychoanalysis (or something) at one point, and the rules are explained typical Yu-Gi-Oh! manga-style with narrative text boxes. After The Reveal that everything was actually a game set up by Zorc's soul vessels (the spirits of Thief King Bakura and High Priest of Darkness Akhenaden), the events unfolding in the memory world are simultaneously seen while being played by Dark Yugi and Dark Bakura. Whereas the anime version takes place in some alternate dimension (the Shadow Realm or something, I don't know) in ancient Egypt, where the RPG table from the manga was changed into a gigantic, interactive Ancient Egyptian TV screen? I don't know. The "game" isn't seen being played much and the rules aren't really explained, you mostly just see the events within the memory world, which is also very different from how the events unfold in the manga. Naturally, as this is the anime, more emphasis on Duel Monsters and less "we're actually playing other games" is placed and quite a few plot details are changed because of the incessant need to shoehorn in more card duels and details that are reminiscent of modern-day Duel Monsters. Like the Priests, who in the anime HAD to have ancient Egyptian Duel Disk that replaces the manga's function for the Millennium Items. Or the addition of Seto Kaiba, who is the poster boy of Duel Monsters and was not present in the manga rendition of the arc. Note that, again, this isn't comprehensive in the slightest, and one has to READ the manga and then WATCH the anime to really get a feel of how different, convoluted, and needlessly confusing they made an already-confusing arc of the manga.
  • The Dungeon Dice Monsters arc (originally called Dragons, Dice & Dungeons in the Japanese manga) is completely different in the anime.
    • In the manga, it's an important arc that actually progresses the plot. Ryuji Otogi, The Dragon son of the main antagonist of the arc (Mr. Clown/Mr. Otogi, who was once a gaming disciple of Yugi's grandfather that challenged him to a Shadow Game called the "Devil's Board Game" over the possession of the Millennium Puzzle, and lost, being given a Penalty Game that rapidly aged him to the point of looking disfigured), was raised to defeat Yugi Mutou in a series of revenge games that would earn Otogi the Millennium Puzzle and become the "King of Games". Gambler vs. Gambler, a series of bar bet games were played at school, and when he nearly humiliated Jonouchi as per the anime (only no Duel Monsters, just a card-flip game called "Four Aces"), Dark Yugi appears and defeats him like he did in the earlier manga chapters pre-Duelist Kingdom. The entire arc has no relation to the Duel Monsters game AT ALL outside of a mention of Duelist Kingdom (the previous arc), features a private battle of Dungeon Dice Monsters between Otogi and the NORMAL Yuugi in the Black Clown game store (because the Millennium Puzzle was being held hostage), Ryou Bakura (the normal one and also his evil alter-ego) actually has presence as part of the group per the manga and plays a huge role in these events, and then ends off with Yugi trying to put back the Millennium Puzzle while the game shop is burning down and is saved by Jounouchi (within all of these events, Dark Bakura sets himself up as a fake ally and then put part of his soul into the Millennium Puzzle with his Parasite Mind powers). Otogi performs a Heel–Face Turn when he realizes that he doesn't hate the Mutou family as much as his father does during the game.
    • In the anime, in order to shove the importance of other games to the sidelines in favor of ''Duel Monsters'', the arc was retooled into a Filler Arc, and Ryuji Otogi was given a personality lift from his manga counterpart which removes his Hidden Depths (which is pronounced even more later on when he becomes part of a comic relief duo, competing with Honda for Shizuka's affections - an anime-only concept and gag) and becomes a narcissistic Pegasus fanboy that is angry that his idol went missing before fully endorsing his new Duel Monsters spin-off Duel Dice Monsters (an independent game in the manga, which, in the anime, contains a lot of monsters from the Duel Monsters game to tie it into the card game) who challenges Yugi to Dungeon Dice Monsters in order to out Yugi as a cheat. Otogi humiliates Jonouchi not in a game of flipping traditional playing cards, but in a game of Duel Monsters - and because Dark Yugi, for some reason, does not care enough to do his manga schtick of appearing immediately to save his friends from being tormented, it gets to the point where Jonouchi wears a dog suit and becomes Otogi's bottom for the rest of the arc. Normal Yugi doesn't prove himself by playing DDM - Dark Yugi does his usual act of taking over, and here he acts as if he never played any game besides Duel Monsters in all his life. Otogi performs a Heel–Face Turn when he realizes he was being an immature dick and his game got endorsed anyway after trying to publicly humiliate Yugi. Ryou Bakura, as per the anime hating him, does not make any appearances here (not even as a spectator). All of the plot-progressing details are moved to what otherwise would have been a filler about dueling Bandit Keith in an Abandoned Warehouse (which had a huge dueling arena for absolutely no explanation), requiring the use of the Idiot Ball to happen in the first place (Yugi handing over his Millennium Puzzle to a shady fortune teller on the street because god knows that was a good idea).
  • Duelist Kingdom has a lot of decay from manga-to-anime.
    • Skipping the first seven volumes and cramming the development into Duelist Kingdom, along with dozens of added anime-exclusive details and the removal of certain details from the manga, creates exclusive plot holes for the anime that weren't present in the manga. Notably, grandpa getting severely injured through a card game for no rational explanation, Yugi's puzzle receiving the powers of protection from fire and putting souls back into their original bodies (which defeats the purpose of his whole Duelist Kingdom trip to begin with), and of course, the Duel Stadiums creating logical fluffs that also weren't present in the manga, which had Duel Boxes.
    • Bakura's Ring being able to summon monsters outside of a game in the anime.... and laser beams. What's the point of playing a game to kill your enemies when you could just use that, anime? He calls the random summoning of monsters a game in the Japanese version, even though it doesn't resemble anything close to a game at all. Also, the anime never explains why Dark Bakura was after Mokuba for the key to Kaiba Corporation's safe (he was acting as if he had performed a Heel–Face Turn in the manga, helping Honda when he was trying to save Mokuba at night). The dub actually made a little more sense, with him being after his body instead, even though it still created a plot hole (Bakura being the Chosen One for the Millennium Ring and the Shadow RPG). Granted, the anime version of Duelist Kingdom had way too many instances of making no sense.
    • Pegasus somehow finding out about Kaiba's defeat at the hands of Yugi during that Not-Death-T first episode, in which the only witnesses to the duel are Jonouchi and Mokuba. Makes more sense in the manga, where there was an entire audience of Kaiba fanboys overlooking its equivalent to the first episode match.
    • Pegasus gives Mokuba a Penalty Game WITHOUT playing a game. (In the manga, he captures Mokuba's soul off-panel.) The anime clearly broke one of the main rules of the Millennium Items - you need to beat an opponent at a game before you can Mind Rape them. If Pegasus could trap souls at a whim, why on Earth would he ever play a game with anyone in the first place? Taking over Kaiba Corp should be a snap. Heck, taking over the WORLD should be a snap. Related to that, in the manga right before his duel with Pegasus, when the soulless Mokuba is brought out before everyone Kaiba is horrified and surprised to see that his brother's soul has been stolen, since as stated it happened to Mokuba off-panel, presumably while Kaiba was dueling Yugi. The anime kept this scene intact... despite the fact that Pegasus stole Mokuba's soul right in front of him just a few episodes ago, yet he still acts like this is the first time he's seen Mokuba in a soulless state.

edited 18th Jul '15 8:28:50 AM by SatoshiBakura

Dude, I own every single volume of the classic, Duelist, Millenium World, R, and GX mangas, and I've watched just about every episode of the anime. I know the anime changed stuff around, but the overall story is pretty much the same. I seriously doubt the new movie's going to have, like, Yugi saying, "Hey, remember that time Duke Devlin stole my Millenium Puzzle and then his game shop caught fire?" It's probably going to be vague enough that it could be a sequel to both the manga and anime in Broad Strokes.

edited 18th Jul '15 8:39:05 AM by spashthebandragon

You implied that there wasn't much difference between the manga and the anime, but while they are not completely different, I felt that they were not only a little different but more like somewhat and glaringly different because the differences are actually quite glaring for me, so I was confused when you said that they were only a little different. But the movie hasn't been released yet, so let's wait to see why they chose the manga as a basis.

edited 18th Jul '15 8:48:30 AM by SatoshiBakura

I still say they're only a little different. Yeah, the anime's a pretty crappy adaptation of the manga, but the plot still follows all the same beats. And the Yugioh anime's honestly never been particularly heavy on detailed continuity in the first place (what with all the filler arcs that don't get mentioned ever again), so I'll be surprised if the new movie even has enough Call Backs for us to be able to pinpoint if it's based on anime or manga continuity.

Most likely, we'll be able to tell whenever it shows the Battle City Duel Disks, since they had a different shape in the manga and couldn't fold up.

And if it IS based on the manga continuity, there's gonna be a HUGE Continuity Snarl if the card game still resembles the official TCG/OCG. Heck, in the manga, the cards didn't even have colored borders, they were all just white (which is why Espa Roba's brothers could confuse Graceful and Skull Dice so easily. The anime really screwed that one up).

edited 18th Jul '15 9:00:37 AM by spashthebandragon

I've heard at least three different things about the movie's placement in canon. One being that it is set six months after the manga, one being that it is set a year after the anime, and one being that it was written six months after the manga ended but takes place a year after the anime.

The last one makes the most sense but I'm still going to wait for confirmation either way.

In case you're nostalgic for the English music, here's the dub trailer.

edited 19th Jul '15 8:11:19 PM by spashthebandragon