Complaining: Adaptational Wimp get usage counts
Deadlock Clock: 18th Oct 2014 11:59:00 PM
- Dragonball Evolution
- Complaints about changes to the source material, how it takes Goku more time to learn how to use the Kamehameha and is not a One-Man Army taking down legions of enemies. But within the movie itself Goku is presented as a more than competent fighter who does get stronger as the story continues (which also happens to be based on a time period of the original before the battles became Earth shattering).
- The Last Airbender
- Again, complaints about changes to source material, complaining about how visually impressive the bending was in the cartoon versus the more mundane depiction in live action. It spends a lot of time nitpicking the change to firebending, even though it was still shown as being equal to the other bending arts. And complains that Katara was not as strong and active as in the original, even though the movie version didn't become as strong as the cartoon version, she was shown as improving over the course of the story (much like the cartoon).
- Marvel Cinematic Universe
- Loki is not as crafty as in the comics. But he is still Asgardian and can put up a decent fight against Thor. It's only nitpicking power levels.
- The Jungle Book
- Kaa is a very dangerous python with hypnotic powers that makes him exceptionally feared. While he retains his hypnotic powers it seems that is his only threat and is easily outwitted once they break the trance and is later easily overpowered by Shere Khan.
- Sherlock Holmes
- Dr. Watson is often downgraded from his considerable intellect and army training in order to highlight Sherlock's own talents. This was Lost In Adaptation for many years before more modern portrayals restore those skills to him.
- Harry Potter
- Literally it is a complaint that Ron didn't get a moment to inspire Hermoine on how to save them, letting Hermoine figure it out on her own. One problem is that even the most gifted child characters in the story are no match for the truly experienced wizards. The other problem is that it only lists a single example about saying something important at the right time, not about actual skill.
- Marvel Cinematic Universe
- The big twist on the Mandarin in Iron Man 3 means that the actual character of the Mandarin isn't even there. Even still, the individual who pronounces themselves as "the true Mandarin" ends up as one of Tony's most dangerous enemies in the trilogy.
- Change the name to something less complain-y, like Adaptational Depower.
- Rewrite the description to focus on major changes to the character and not just discussing mild changes in power and strength.
edited 7th Jun '14 8:36:01 AM by VeryMelon
- Dragonball Evolution - This is a downplayed example, but that doesn't mean it isn't an example. Goku is still a complete Bad Ass, yeah, but he's much less powerful than he is in the source material. What I'm getting here, and correct me if I'm wrong, is essentially that you want to do away with all downplayed examples. Okay, my question is... why? I mean, we're not doing that for any other tropes. We're not going through Adaptational Heroism and axing examples where a Card-Carrying Villain becomes an Anti-Villain, so why would we axe all downplayed examples from this trope? If a villain becoming an antivillain can count as Adaptational Heroism, than why can't a god becoming a superhero count as Adaptational Wimp? Why do you believe that they HAVE to become powerless for it to count?
- Avatar The Last Airbender: Okay, the argument about the girls appearing weaker is definitely pretty bad, I always kinda thought so myself, but what about bending? This isn't just "oh, it looks less impressive," this is us being explicitly told that bending is weaker in the movie.
- In the source material firebenders can create fire from their own bodies, either through body heat or qi or whatever, and in the movie they can't. That's a group of characters having their power reduced, period. Whether you think it was a good change or a bad change is irrelevant because Tropes Are Not Bad.
- Similarly, the way bending works was changed - instead of being done with simple martial arts moves it requires a dance, which results in it taking much, much longer to pull off powerful moves. Again, that is a concept being reduced in power and again the question of whether or not you think it was a good change is irrelevant.
- Loki in the Marvel Cinematic Universe: Again, this seems like a downplayed example and... again, I'm not sure what's wrong with that.
edited 20th Jun '14 2:39:59 AM by wrm5
edited 21st Jun '14 2:26:23 AM by wrm5
edited 21st Jun '14 2:30:18 PM by VeryMelon
- Give the trope a new name, because putting an insult like "Wimp" in the title encourages Complaining About Shows You Don't Like.
- Make the trope specifically about characters having their actual power level reduced, rather than simply being less important to the story or losing fights. This would seem to have been the intent for the trope from the beginning judging by the description's second paragraph, but clearly this ruling needs to be enforced by removing or repairing bad examples.
- Possibly rewrite the description, removing phrases like "This is specifically for those characters who went from actually useful to... decidedly less so." which encourage complaints and insults.
- Possibly rename Adaptational Badass as well.
- Does the character change dramatically in competence? (ie originally equal in strength against a rival, but is no longer in the same weight class)
- Does the character have a different role in the narrative? (ie a skilled assassin being made into a non-action oriented tech guy)
- Is there a change in overall strength and abilities in the new adaptation universe? (they can no longer bend steel, but neither can anyone else)
- Is the source material consistent in and of itself? (Depending on the Writer and Power Creep, Power Seep, nuff said)
- Does the narrative provide opportunity to align itself better with the adaptation? (the heroes starts off weaker but goes through training/character development that brings them up to their canon strength)
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