TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

Whoops, moving that to the right thread.

edited 13th Mar '16 10:55:27 PM by Karxrida

beeskeptic is splitting Recap.Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia into individual pages.That's fine, except the recap pages are just two line stubs for the time being (they're closer to a quick synopsis than a recap), as well as unindexed (though I assume that he's planning on getting the main recap page turned into an Index).

Should he be messaged to pump his brakes a bit?

edited 15th Mar '16 12:55:46 PM by Larkmarn

The trope Eat Drink And Go Silent was launched without notification. YK link

Several tropers there have noted that the name is non-indicative. Yet it was launched under that title (not by the op).

Trope is unlaunched, and launcher is messaged.

Mars Needs Women is a stub work page. I've notified the creator.

Troper Monolaf 317 likes to launch tropes but never does the cross-wicking afterwards. Who's gonna do it for him?

Includes:

• The Show of the Books
• Sobriquet Sex Switch
• Capital Offensive
• Revenge Is a Dish Best Served
• Sneaking Snacks
• Orgasmatron
• Girls Love Chocolate

edited 26th Mar '16 7:23:34 AM by eroock

On the subject of Monolaf, they seem to have a habit of launching YKTTW that have enough hats, even if they're still being discussed or worked on (he launched Weird Weather, which I was sponsoring and keeping bumped for discussion about page/quotes and images - as well as some comments on what it should cover - at the time; I didn't really bring it up because it was in a launchable state anyway)

I did also notice that. The launch pages never used to have 20+ a day, sometimes we went weeks without a launch, but recently it's been clogged so much that you have to go back a few pages to see yesterday and there are one or two tropers who are contributing extensively to this phenomenon.

Ham and Deadpan Duo had five hats but I never got a good answer as to how it is different from Straight Man and Wise Guy.

Canadian Films was nuked though it's a valid entry in my book. We have it for other countries too.

Anyone getting a distinctly Cave Cat-y feel from that troper?

Copy/pasted from AskTheTropers: "VideoGame.Dragon Rage. Page is three years old. And... in dire, dire need of help. The description says almost nothing about anything. Damn near every single example is either shoehorned or a ZCE. Many that aren't are shoehorns. Many of them are specifically talking about how awesome and underappreciated the game is. There's... some weird game with the second picture?

As you may have guessed, this is basically the work of one guy who is a fan of the game. And that's peachy. But it just creates... an odd page.

Seriously, I was going to just deal with ZC Es but there's so little right about the page I genuinely don't know where to start on fixing it as a whole. I sent the guy a ZCE notifier but... not sure how much that'll do.

Interestingly, this is the same guy who made Dragon Powers then remade it as a really bad YKTTW. I think he made that specifically to Entry Pimp this game, honestly."

Eagal has made a few improvements, and OP has put... well, context is a bit strong but "words" with every example ("X is pretty much this" is a popular format). But it's still... really not good.

edited 29th Mar '16 11:44:39 AM by Larkmarn

Stronger Than They Look was not made without ykttw.

I bring this up because there's a current ykttw with the exact same name and better description.

What to do?

I think this one's already covered by Muscles Are Meaningless.

Doesn't that trope put an emphasis on, well, muscles?

It puts emphasis on muscles being meaningless, i.e., the visible indication of how strong a character is (how much muscle they have) is not an accurate reflection of their true physical strength. Other than build and muscle mass, what do you expect to determine how strong a character "looks"? The description for Muscles Are Meaningless also strongly implies that the trope applies (either primarily or exclusively) to the small, non-muscular, weak-looking characters who are stronger than their physique suggests, i.e., characters who are Stronger Than They Look, rather than large, muscular characters being weaker than their physique suggests or Weaker Than They Look.

The current YKTTW with the same name and more extensive description says "So you meet this character. He looks weak somehow. He's either small and scrawny, or meek, peace-loving and/or gentle, not heavily armed, lazy or untrained, frail, or unassuming." Small, scrawny, and frail are all about physical build and covered by Muscles Are Meaningless. Meek, peace-loving, gentle, lazy, untrained, and unassuming don't imply lack of physical strength; they imply lack of aggression/assertiveness/motivation/skill/etc. (they're also more about behavior than how the character "looks"). There's nothing surprising about a Gentle Giant lifting a heavy box (displaying great strength) because he does look physically strong due to his build (i.e., his Muscles Are Meaningful); what would be surprising is him, say, hurling the same heavy box at another person—not because of the strength, but because of the aggression, i.e., it would be covered by Beware the Nice Ones, O.O.C. Is Serious Business, the observer falling for Obfuscating Stupidity, or another behavior-related trope rather than Stronger Than They Look.

I think that this is covered by Muscles Are Meaningless for physically weak-looking characters and by other, non-strength-related tropes for characters using their expected physical strength in unexpected ways.

Edit: Also, based on a quick skim through the examples in the YKTTW, a lot of them never bother to explain why the character "looks" weak, and most of those that do seem focus exclusively on the characters physique, i.e., they're examples of Muscles Are Meaningless.

edited 2nd Apr '16 9:19:33 AM by NotOnAnyFlatbread

Trivia.Adventures Of Mowgli was just created with one item: Hey Its That Voice. The creator has been messaged.

Huh. Are single-entry pages not allowed? I've created a few of them to get a Trivia or other YMMV item off of the main page.

I'm pretty sure those are fine for subpages, it's just that Hey Its That Voice is no longer considered valid Trivia.

be careful: You don't want to scare people off from moving Trivia off Main pages. Check whether that was the reason.

The Trivia page mentioned in my last post has been cut. No, there is no minimum number of items for Trivia pages; they just have to include at least one valid example. (I've salvaged some Hey Its That Voice examples by editing them into other things.)

I Only Wanted To Help is a very barebones work page. There are two tropes with borderline-sufficient context, one non-trope with context, and some zces.

@eroock, re. Canadian Films - the content was moved to Canadian Media after a mod discussion that said no more media-specific indices or something like that. I was on the separate index team, but it's nothing major.

Dark Angael only has three examples and an awkward description. As someone who's never played it myself, maybe someone here can help?

It's one of a hundred or so video game pages the same troper made by copying the description from Wikipedia and writing "Needs Wiki Magic Love" at the end.

Uh really? They should be all cut in that case. Troper's already banned, for the record.