Welcome to the Content Violations Discussion forum, where we discuss whether a work violates The Content Policy.
Remember that the forum rules apply here
, plus the following:
- You don't PM moderators about stuff pertaining to the policies, except for thread reasons;
- We tolerate links to scanlation sites unlike in the rest of the site due to its purpose, although it's preferred to remove them when they have done their jobs;
- The forum is not a soapbox for your own views on the policy or on morality. Please leave them at the door.
Violations of these rules can result in a ban from the subforum, or from the entire forum.
Otherwise:
Also, keep in mind that there are works that we don't want flagged without a really good reason as they are not likely in violation of policy:
- Is a film rated below "R" for U.S. distribution.
- Is a show that can be aired on prime time television.
- Is a video game that is rated below "M" by the ESRB.
- Is a written work that is sold in major bookstores without an "adult" or "mature" label.
- Is an anime/manga/etc. that is approved for U.S. import as a non-adult work.
- Is read/shown/taught in high school or below.
- Is in another format and meets equivalent criteria.
What we're looking for:
- Pure porn, or porn with an Excuse Plot only,
- Anything that has explicit underage sex,
- Implied sex of preteens or younger, and
- Fanservice intended to cater to pedophiles (lolicon and shotacon fanservice can count).
A couple of guidelines so the procedure can move smoothly:
- Do not list whole indexes or works just because they are on a certain index or have lolicon, H-Game or shotacon on their trope list.
- Do not list works you know nothing about without at least reading the trope page.
- Do not list works that you know are G-rated but you find creepy.
- If it's paedophile-pandering approximately how old are the characters involved? What happens? Is it graphic? Is it merely implied?
- List what objectionable content there is, and how much of the work consists of that.
- If it's entirely sex, say so. People have different ideas of what porn is. We all have the same idea of what a work being entirely sex scenes is.
- If you're not sure about a work, say so, or ask someone who does know that work. But don't make blanket accusations. Post here: "I don't know about this work, but the page says X".
- Google and Wikipedia are your friendsnote . Do a little digging on works you aren't sure about.
Also, in the case of H Games, there is this questioning to fill up:
- When are the sex scenes located?
- Are they spread out over the game?
- How much gameplay is there between sex scenes?
- Are they only at the endings?
- How hard do you have to work to get an ending?
- Are they in every ending? Every good ending?
- Are the sex scenes optional via a choice in the menu?
- Would the story make sense without them with minimal or no rewriting?
- Are the scenes made up of stills, or are they animated?
- How explicit are the sex scenes?
- This isn't a headcount. Your opinion is only considered if it explains in at least some detail how you came to the conclusion that the work is/isn't porn/paedopandering.
- When a moderator determines that the discussion has yielded a consensus, they can enact its conclusion/ask a moderator to enact the conclusion.
- The discussion is only about whether the work qualifies as porn or as paedopandering. We don't assess anything else in this process.
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Q: Why is this happening?
A: Concerning the porn, it tends to attract creepy edits that have brought us into issues with the adservers while not significantly contributing to our core purpose - tropology. Concerning paedophilia-pandering, such works are just plain creepy to have pages about.
Q: What can I do to help clean the site?
A: You can flag content as unsuitable using the flag tool, which is located in the Tools menu to the right of each article, keeping the criteria in mind. Also, you can help enforce No Lewdness, No Prudishness across the wiki, possibly though cleaning pages listed in this Long Term Projects thread.
Q. This episodic work isn't finished yet. Shouldn't we wait for the ending before discussing it?
A. No. If released instalments may violate the content policy, we want to take action as soon as that's established — we don't need to wait for the ending. We can always revisit a decision to cut or keep once the work is over, but that point might still be years or decades away.
Q: This work is not actually/primarily pornographic. Why was it cut?
A: This could be for a number of different reasons. If the work was deemed to be paedopandering, for example, it will be cut whether or not it's actually sexually explicit. Being pro-paedophilia or pandering to paedophiles is bad enough, even if the work is nominally anti-paedophilia. Of course, it's possible that there was a mistake and then you should appeal it - please check the reasons first, however.
Q: This work is being/has been cut, but it is not a violation of the Content Policy. How do I make an appeal?
A: Flag the work page using the button in the sidebar and state your reasons for restoration.
Q: This work is pretty much pure porn, but it's really good porn. Can an exception be made?
A: Nope, sorry. If it's mainly porn, it goes.
Q: Why would you cut this? In [culture x], it is totally acceptable.
A: The vast majority of our readers come from the Americas or Western Europe, so we will be adhering to what could broadly be termed "Western" standards. This means we will not be permitting works which sexualize 12 year olds, and nor will we be demanding that every picture of a woman on the site must wear a burqa.
Q: How can you possibly claim to know authorial intent? (Roland Barthes is my co-pilot.)
A: It is not important what the authorial intent was, only the outcome.
Q: Wikipedia have articles on all kinds of awful stuff. Why can't we do the same?
A: Wikipedia is a strictly academic site. They have to cite sources and a "no censorship rule". They also do not aim to be Family Friendly, and are not reliant upon third party ads for funding. Conversely, one of our stated aims is to celebrate fiction, and our generally light, non-negative tone is a reflection of this, which has led to much more gushing about inappropiate content.
Q: So should I take every article here as an endorsement of whatever it describes?
A: No, of course not. We have pages on Greedy Jew, Adolf Hitler and Mein Kampf after all. However, if we choose to focus our attention on schoolgirls' thighs or porn, it does reflect very poorly on us. Fan Fic Recommendations are a slightly different issue. If a work is recommended there, this should be taken as an endorsement by the troper who wrote it.
Q: Are we allowed to make forum threads about works processed by the Content Violation Discussions forum?
A: If it was voted "clean and keep", a forum thread is relatively safe as long as it is restricted to talking about the clean parts. Anything with a stronger judgement is discouraged on the forums.
Q: Where can I find decisions regarding a work?
A: They are linked from the discussion page. Sometimes the old list of content reviews or the thread list in this forum can help as well.
Q: I still have some questions/concerns.
A: We will be happy to answer them. There is a thread for this.
- Guro: Violence played for titillation. (contrast Gorn)
- 5P or P5: The panel that administered the policy prior to the review system being overhauled in 2022. See 5P.
- P(a)edoshit: Older term for "P(a)edopandering", deprecated for being inflammatory.
- Porn: A work mostly concerned with sexual arousal. Having NSFW or explicit scenes doesn't automatically make a work porn — it's when showcasing explicit scenes is the entire point of the work.
Also, questions about the policy can be asked here. They will be added to this thread's FAQ section once answered.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 5th 2024 at 6:00:30 PM
Tokyo Akazukin was the one that stuck out to me the most as Very Bad but I don't remember why.
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Uhh probably because its Mai Chans Daily Life the lolicon version and horrific in every conceivable way? It scarred me when I looked up its The Other Wiki page...
Let me clarify. I meant I don't remember what there was in it that really stood out as awful even after this long on the internet.
Absolutely no relation to NLK
I recall stumbling across the disturbingly long and in-depth page for Pokegirls. I assume it's been taken down?
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
There was another one about a mad scientist who turned a teenaged boy into a six year old and dressed him/her as a loli. Or something.
And, you know, aforementioned Tokyo Akazuin and Mai-chan were so bad that I don't think we even needed to review them. Their reputation was enough to get them torn down for good.
edited 19th Dec '15 5:28:10 PM by LargoQuagmire
Red Like Santa
Weirdly enough, Tokyo Akazuin is in a mainstream magazine.
It also serialized Axis Powers Hetalia.
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Red Like Santa
Here's another question?
Why is Bara Genre locked, but not Yuri Genre or Yaoi Genre?
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Bara is almost exclusively about smut while Yuri and Yaoi are not. You rarely ever see Bara works that are not Hentai.
No longer a forum herald
Someone needs to chainsaw the line on Bara Genre about Yuri Genre being a Distaff Counterpart then. (If the mods insist, I'll take it to the locked page thread.)
And as an aside, a little history lesson: Fast Eddie wanted to rename Yuri Genre and Yaoi Genre Girls' Love and Boys' Love respectively, as part of pruning Japanese trope names off the wiki, but a lot of people disagreed. Eventually he settled on a compromise proposal crafted by yours truly, hence the current names. (I'm not sure if the name Bara Genre ties into that...eh, probably.)
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
They are not direct counterparts but they are the closest to it I guess.
Bara is basically gay sex works made for those who are gay, there don't seem to be mainstream works in this sadly and the ones I can actually find on the net are straight up Hentai.
Yaoi is very structured 'gay' romance works, but not always actually gay, with a Dom Seme and self insert and very girly Uke aimed at women.
Yuri are lesbian romance works for both Yuri Fanboy and Yuri Fangirl. They can be structured like Yaoi, Gokujou Drops is one example of one that uses Yaoi's seme and uke, but not always. It actually started in Shōjo mags in the 70s, strangely almost always set in a Catholic School and always ended badly. Since then its evolved and Yuri mags have appeared that are aimed at young girls, adult girls, and guys.
Actual lesbian works aimed strictly at lesbians do not seem to exist nor do they have a genre name, Smut and romance exist though because Girl on Girl Is Hot and Girl On Girl Romance Is Cute.
edited 19th Dec '15 8:50:16 PM by Memers
Bara Genre is locked because it got its examples cut. Probably someone associating the name with pornography.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The term for manga works by-and-for lesbians is onna-doushi. However, it's not a very common term - both because "yuri" usually covers them just fine, and because it's not a very common genre.
Logic Girl
I don't like the tropes that are named things like Tomboy, Manly Man, Girly Girl, Girliness Update, Feminine Man and Lad Ette, I find those names sexist. You could get your point across by saying things like instead Stereotypically Feminine Woman, Stereotypically Masculine Man, Took A Level In Prissy, Sensitive Man and Tough Female Character.
For every low there is a high.
You're not in the right place for that kind of topic.
...And you're not going to get anywhere either. We don't rename things on those grounds. Also, there is a 0% chance of Tomboy ever being renamed.
Its a troll, isn't it.
It's possible, but so long as they're behaving themselves it's only polite to assume good intentions. We do get people mistaking what Content Violations is for on a fairly regularly basis as well as people wishing to rename various tropes for fairly arbitrary reasons only to get shot down immediately.
TV Tropes' Sonic Wiki Curator
No, we will not rename any of those tropes, especially with such a flimsy reason for doing so.
Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.
So, as pre-emptive "permission is better than forgiveness" measure, I've come to ask if TV Tropes has a policy on profanity? I've read The Content Policy And The 5 P Circuit but it doesn't seem to have any mention either way.
The reason for this is that lately I've been thinking about profanity(it's origins, mostly, and if it really should be regarded as negatively as it is) and I was considering making a OTC thread about it, but I wanted to check if that would be in keeping with this site's rules first.
Nihil assumpseris, sed omnia resolvere!
The Unknown
For pages, it's fine as long as it isn't used as Word Cruft and/or inappropriate for the page (i.e. works that are for kids).
Forums are fine as long as it isn't used in a super offensive like the N-Word, I'd assume. The discussion of its history is probably fine, but I'd ask a mod for that word in particular.
edited 1st Jan '16 12:24:24 AM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Lost in Space
Talking about profanity is fine, within any reasonable bounds. Use of it for emphasis in wiki articles is tolerated as long as it doesn't get out of hand. Use of it in forum posts is fine as long as it's not part of a personal attack and doesn't cross any extreme boundaries, like use of racial epithets.
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Apparition in the Woods
In my limited experience (mainly with kemono artists), actually have seen some bara/gei-komi work suitable for inclusion here, but there isn't a whole lot of it. It's a pretty smut-heavy genre, and most of the less sexual stuff is just art rather than narrative material per se, so is sort of outside of this site's purview.
I do think the lock is just a touch excessive, however. If there is something within the genre or heavily influenced by it that meets our standards, I think that it should be listed.
I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.
A far as I know a lock does not mean the page is just uneditable, it just means you gotta run edits through a mod in the 'edit locked pages' thread in the forums.
What about that Pokegirls thing?
It seems to be written by Manchild neckbeards with serious issues with women.
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