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Rename (alt titles 7/24): The Archer get usage counts

 76 Madrugada, Sat, 22nd Sep '12 10:53:09 AM Relationship Status: In season
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The name to change them to is Archer Archetype.

Start in wick swapping and post back here as you finish a section (a letter, or part of a letter) Like so:

done Punctuated Titles and Unpunctuated up to LightNovel.A Certain Magical Index

I'll keep a running tally of progress.

edited 22nd Sep '12 11:00:25 AM by Madrugada

'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 77 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 22nd Sep '12 11:45:59 AM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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I have done •Characters/A Certain Magical Index Magicians to •Film/Alone In The Dark 1982 to get us started.
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 78 Tuefel Hunden IV, Mon, 24th Sep '12 5:29:11 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Always Having Juice to Characters/Arcanastuck done
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What should we change the laconic to? "Skilled, long-range fighter, " doesn't say what the archetype is. Would "A skilled long range fighter who doesn't let emotions get in her way, " be good?

 80 Tuefel Hunden IV, Thu, 27th Sep '12 5:03:37 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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TheArcher Related to Putting the related to on this page of the thread as well. Some more work incoming.

Lexicon: Not sure. What you have sounds ok to me.

Ok got from Arcanum: Of Steamworks & Magick Obscura to A Song Of Ice And Fire House Greyjoy done.

edited 27th Sep '12 5:14:49 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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 81 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 29th Sep '12 9:31:21 AM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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From Yesterday.

From A Song Of Ice And Fire House Targaryen to Avatar The Last Airbender Other Characters

I will do some more today.

I just noticed The Archer is a redirect for Straight Arrow. What should we do with those redirects?

edited 29th Sep '12 9:32:53 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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 82 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 6th Oct '12 8:58:39 AM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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I have done a fist full of Wicks but I have back for a few more Wicks. I have seen good examples, bad examples, and tried to fix the outright ugly examples

Jokes aside I have gotten Atlantica Online through Bad Ass Gay done.

edited 6th Oct '12 8:59:46 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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I'm glad we've made progress but before we close this let's please decide what exactly the archetype is not only for the laconic (which is not showing up for me for some reason) but for the context of the examples.

 84 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 6th Oct '12 12:06:15 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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I don't think this thread is going to close until we finish. I get that idea from Maddy. So far it looks like I am the only one nibbling away at the wicks a bit at a time. For now you have lots of time to work on it.

The sense I get from what the arch type is supposed to be would be a consumate marksman with a bow. Patient and careful in general.

edited 6th Oct '12 12:06:53 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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 85 Septimus Heap, Sat, 15th Dec '12 3:47:01 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Got the wicks for A and B. 1237 to go now.

Once I understand the definition, when I have the time I'll deal with the wicks and examples from works I know (Heralds of Valdemar, The Lord of the Rings, The Chronicles of Narnia, and Classical Mythology for sure) so you can leave the above wicks to me.

Are you guys going with the archetype Shima described here? What if they're not vulnerable?

edited 15th Dec '12 8:16:29 AM by ArcadesSabboth

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 87 shimaspawn, Sat, 15th Dec '12 9:08:18 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] That definition says they're vulnerable unless they switch to a different weapon for close combat. Can you give me an example of one where that's not the case?
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 88 Septimus Heap, Sat, 15th Dec '12 9:11:41 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Do I understand it well that examples which are just about being an archer need to be removed if they cannot be expanded?

 89 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 15th Dec '12 9:41:28 AM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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I think this project may be a two sided one. Not just finding and changing wicks but correcting the misuse which likely has spread through out the wiki.

I was tempted to say we could break it into two parts but if we go through changing wicks and zapping bad entries on sight it would be better in the long run.

edited 15th Dec '12 10:23:48 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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Shima: I can think of examples where they aren't shown as vulnerable in close combat because they don't fight close-up, or else they seem to be good enough to shoot at point-blank range.
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 91 shimaspawn, Sat, 15th Dec '12 12:52:17 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
If it never comes up, it never comes up. Point Blank Shot should probably be it's own trope.
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-Philip K. Dick
 92 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 15th Dec '12 1:01:52 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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I could have sworn it was at one point.
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Point Blank Shot sounds like Improbable Aiming Skills.

I'd say zapping bad entries on sight would be a good idea. All examples that stay should make it sound like the character is "calm, self-possessed, and analytical." I changed the laconic to "A skilled long range fighter who doesn't let emotions get in his or her way."

edited 15th Dec '12 3:53:49 PM by lexicon

 94 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 15th Dec '12 4:25:59 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Uh tiny problem> Point blank shots don't really need much skill. They are also frequently portrayed almost never missing because you know your close and pretty much touching your target. That would be truth in television. There is nothing improbable about it.

edited 15th Dec '12 4:26:38 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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You're right. I was thinking of lack of enemy in the way, not lack of distance (though they can overlap). They're two different things.

Wait, so the definition is calm and analytical, and not the summary Shima made?

This trope is just plain confusing, and/or you guys haven't agreed what it is yet. That makes cleaning up kinda hard.
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 97 Septimus Heap, Sun, 16th Dec '12 1:34:22 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Most (like 90-95%) of all examples are just "This person uses a bow".

If the page's description isn't the one we want to use, we need to take off the Pending Final Action tag until we have one to use.

 98 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sun, 16th Dec '12 2:50:02 AM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Last I checked the new name was chosen to fit the content of the description. Shimas statement generally fits with description. Archers are not usually melee characters. Though there is nothingn stopping them from being melee capable.

If part of a fighting team, the archer is usually less physically strong and robust than their teammates because of the erroneous perception that archery relies more on grace than the brute strength required to hack and slash. In reality, the draw of most warbows can range from 60 to 150 lbs, requiring significant strength throughout the body (especially the upper body) to use effectively. This misconception often leads to The Chick getting stuck with a bow as a slightly more proactive take on the White Magician Girl. This also has the benefit of keeping the delicate female safely out of the bone-crunching melee

I think shima is getting it from here.

If we change anything can we please cut the inaccurate statement that you can't "fire" a bow. To fire a weapon means to launch, lob, or project a missile or projectile from a weapon. They even call pulling a string back and letting it snap forward without an arrow dry firing a bow.

edited 16th Dec '12 2:53:25 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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 99 shimaspawn, Sun, 16th Dec '12 10:59:09 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Here's a proposed less nattery definition. There's far too much real life natter in the current one that's better analysis fodder.

The Archer is a skilled bow(wo)man. They're generally independent and used to working alone. This tends to make them practical, a little haughty or arrogant and not the best at following orders especially from those they don't respect. The archer is generally stealthy and graceful and tends to fight at a distance. As a result, they're often portrayed vulnerable up close as a result unless they switch to a different weapon for close combat.

The archer is most likely to be found in a wild setting and can share traits with the Cold Sniper, most notably an analytical and calculating nature. This archetype tends to have a more slender build. The character is likely to also be The Chick, a Nature Hero, a Forest Ranger, and/or an Elf. This also has the benefit of keeping the delicate female safely out of the bone-crunching melee

For bows used in modern or scifi settings, see The Straight and Arrow Path. If the Archer Archetype has Improbable Aiming Skills, he may also be able to do a multishot. For added irony, check out No Arc in Archery. See also Annoying Arrows.

edited 16th Dec '12 12:23:10 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 100 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sun, 16th Dec '12 11:38:45 AM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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What about the bit about being analytical and calculating. Other that I like it.
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Alternative Titles: The Archer
24th Jul '12 5:17:19 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
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