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Common problems include:
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- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
Can we put them on the crowner?
He/Him
^ Feel free.
Also, I'm tempted to throw All Take and No Give on the crowner because all of the current RL examples are general examples, and specific examples would likely be speculation and gossip, unless someone outright admitted to being like this, so I seriously doubt a RL section worth having on this article.
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No, the other one.
Axed the generics on All Take and No Give.
I'm not sure whether real life examples should be allowed there, but I don't see any value in describing specific real people as fitting the trope. Bit gossip, bit trash talking. So probably not.
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I've gone ahead and added All Take and No Give to the crowner.
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"In distress", my ass.
Adding Bad Boss to the crowner, as there seems to be no objection to that.
As for the other "Bad" tropes mentioned, I'm kind of leery about differentiating between "criminal" and "villain", as Another Duck does a few posts up. If the criminality is limited to documented cases (like with that corrupt cops trope we addressed some months back), though, it wouldn't be as bad IMO.
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I needed to downvote Bad Boss after seeing the article the other day about a certain Southeast Asian leader executing an individual who fell asleep in a meeting using an antiarcraft gun.
edited 15th May '15 6:50:59 AM by Ripsaw
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lmfao. I mean... May that guy's soul rest in peace. But still, that's fucking hilarious.
Added the others.
- Downvoting Cops because the description seems to indicate that they can just be criminals, not actually evil. However, two of the examples are ZCEs. The street gang one is good, though.
- Bad Guy Bar describes itself explicitly as a place where villains hang out, but I feel like in reality it's just a seedy bar where unsavory types hang out, villains not excluded. Downvoting but suggesting a tweak to the definition to make that clear.
- I feel exactly the same about Bad Guys Play Pool, downvoting and making the same suggestion.
- Bad Boss clearly describes itself in the first sentence as not being explicitly evil, so downvoting.
- Upvoting Take/Give because while it could happen in real life, I don't see any productive purpose to having a Real Life section, it would be a mess of speculation and natter and trash talking real people.
edited 15th May '15 9:09:46 AM by SolipSchism
"In distress", my ass.
Calling All Take and No Give for NRLEP: Added 14th May '15 at 10:13:07 PM, 12:1 (13)
As of this post, every other entry (Bad Guys Play Pool, Bad Boss, Bad Guy Bar, and The Bad Guys Are Cops) all look like they're going to going on the keep RL examples list. Given how close the votes are, though, I think we should wait one more day before calling them, given past issues regarding call timing for stuff that wasn't a blowout like the above NRLEP call.
Or is that further confusing things with insufficient benefit, to add another condition onto calling entries?
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"In distress", my ass.
Looks like there's not much change from my last post, so calling the following to keep RL examples:
- Bad Guys Play Pool: Added 15th May '15 at 09:02:40 AM, 1.75:1 (11)
- Bad Boss: Added 15th May '15 at 06:24:55 AM, 0.85:1 (13)
- The Bad Guys Are Cops: Added 15th May '15 at 09:03:10 AM, 0.67:1 (10)
- Bad Guy Bar: Added 15th May '15 at 09:02:55 AM, 0.57:1 (11)
EDIT: Disregard this post, I am a person of singularly low intelligence and I enjoy making stupid comments and then realizing how stupid they are and blanking them.
edited 18th May '15 9:09:56 AM by SolipSchism
The Double Standard index is No Real Life Examples Please, but some of the tropes on it have Real Life sections. I've not gone through the entire index, but But Not Too Black, But Not Too White, and the many subpages of Acceptable Targets all have them. Some of the sections on the Acceptable Targets subpages only have RL examples. Is this something that should be considered a problem?
Also, Villain Song has a handful of RL examples, despite the fact that it's a villain trope. Precedent seems to be against Real Life sections on villain or evil tropes, so should we add this to the crowner?
edited 23rd May '15 3:33:24 AM by phoenix
"In distress", my ass.
At the moment I don't have time to go through the Double Standard and Acceptable Targets stuff at the moment, but the Villain Song thing seems to me to be a clear qualifier. Adding to the crowner after I hit "send".
edited 23rd May '15 7:05:14 AM by Nohbody
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I've added Family-Values Villain to the crowner on the grounds that it's a Villain/Evil Trope.
Also, Corrupt Hick has a Real Life section. It's on the Villains Index, and similar tropes such as Corrupt Corporate Executive and Corrupt Politician are already NRLEP.
edited 24th May '15 1:49:13 AM by phoenix
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I agree that Corrupt Hick needs NRLEP. Two of the three are not really examples, (they're more about "does things that I don't like") and the other is a generic.
edited 24th May '15 4:36:19 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
"In distress", my ass.
In the "Global Terrorism thread" in OTC forum, it was mentioned to add ISIS/Daesh/whatever to Values Dissonance, which is NRLEP.
That prompted me to go look, though, and in ValuesDissonance.Other it looks like people are using the "Other" subpage to slip in RL examples.
I nuked the "Other" section in its entirety, but some of the other stuff still there I'm not so sure on, so I didn't touch them, particularly the PSA and Sports sections.
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For PSA and Sports, I would think it would involve how much they are part of a story vs how much real life stuff is going on.
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"In distress", my ass.
Calling Villain Song: 5:1 (12), Added 23rd May '15 at 07:05:29 AM
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Wait, was Villain Song actually getting Real Life examples?
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Yes, songs like SS marschiert im Feindesland or Sieg Heil Viktoria from World War II, or I'm a Good Old Rebel from the post-American-Civil-War era.
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Added Women Are Wiser and Men Are Better Than Women, for obvious Flame Bait reasons.
edited 27th May '15 8:45:08 AM by harryhenry
Also, MABTW doesn't even have sections. Or sorted examples.
But yeah, NRLEP for the lot of them. They even have big bold banners about flame bait and not being a comment on real life, but I say just go all the way and make it NRLEP.
"In distress", my ass.
General request: When adding a new entry, please put a time stamp on it. We use the server time, which you can get from looking at the entry history (the open book icon next to the edit pencil). The smaller text formatting isn't important, it's just a convention for this crowner series. The important thing is that the time an entry was added is present, for the purposes of determining if something's been up for the required 48 hour minimum.
That said, calling for NRLEP:
- Corrupt Hick: Added 24th May '15 at 05:57:22 AM, 14:1 (15)
- Family-Values Villain: Added 24th May '15 at 01:08:58 AM, 6.5:1 (15)
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I added anorgasmia to the crowner. The page already says not to add real life examples, but I figure a vote to make it official (or allow real life examples) would be good.
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Well, I don't think a vote is necessary because iirc, we have an explicit "All sexual tropes are NRLEP" policy, and any trope that literally has the word "orgasm" in its name is pretty definitely sexual.
But a vote wouldn't hurt. Upvoting.
edited 29th May '15 9:12:36 AM by SolipSchism
Bad Boss seems to be basically gossip and complaining about people still alive or recently so. And the general garbage found in many RL sections. Probably not worth cleaning and keeping. And that's still aside from casting judgement on real people, which is a strike all of its own.
The Bad Guys Are Cops has one that treat "bad guys" as a descriptor for criminals, rather than villains; one tangental examples that isn't really this trope; and one generic example that pretent to be specific. Considering the trope, I think criminal (which isn't a problem in itself) is a valid use of the trope, rather than explicitly villanous (which is a problem).
Bad Guy Bar has two generic examples, two political examples, and one about a bar criminals go to. One example I could see be kept, for the same reason as above.
Bad Guys Play Pool look more like a setting or descriptor trope than anything else to me. Something that in itself points to the characters being bad guys. For some reason, it doesn't strike me as the same criminal type trope as the two above, although I can't quite explain why. It seems to be more explicit about them being bad guys. However, the one example that's there is about criminals.
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