Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
"In distress", my ass.
Calling Noble Bigot with a Badge: Added 23rd Aug '14 at 07:40:05 PM, 11:0. [edit]Moved the one RL entry to the Literature section, as discussed earlier.[/edit]
I'm not calling Boarding School of Horrors just yet, even though it meets the requirements, as it's currently under discussion.
edited 26th Aug '14 7:55:55 AM by Nohbody
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"In distress", my ass.
Another issue that came up in random Wiki Walking, The Masquerade Will Kill Your Dating Life.
That there's an RL section doesn't seem a problem, but I'm not sure if the second entry, regarding the CIA, is or isn't a generic example. The other two are about specific people, though I'm not sure the Hathcock example is demonstrating this trope or something else, since there's no requirement that military snipers conceal what their job is (specific missions due to being classified, yes, but not their job).
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Considering that there aren't yet functional Nanomachines, should it have an RL section? The examples all look like varying degrees of shoehorning to me.
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Crystal Spires and Togas has an RL section that seems composed entirely of shoehorned examples. NRLEP it, or just zap the bad entries?
edited 26th Aug '14 8:43:17 AM by Nohbody
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Just zap the bad entries.
135 - 169 - 273 - 191 - 188 - 230 - 300
Was Befriending the Enemy voted NRFEP?
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@Crystal Spires and Togas: doesn't that talk about the far future?
@Nanomachines: since it's impossible IRL it looks like NRELP! material to me.
Nanomachines I am inclined to cut. Most of the examples are either speculation or aren't usually named nanomachines.
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Took a look at the examples. Every one except the last ones is "not nanomachines", and the last one is sorta a grey area.
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No, the other one.
I wouldn't count biological stuff as nanomachines, since then you could count just about any virus. Nor non-nanomachine nanotechnology.
I also wouldn't exclude Real Life examples on Nanomachines, considering that it's not impossible, just not researched yet. Probably the futuristic version of Examples Are Not Recent.
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"In distress", my ass.
@Very Melon: As far as I can tell Befriending has never come up for a vote. Not on the NRLEP page or the keep RL examples list.
@desdendelle, description for Crystal talks about it also being able to apply in the past.
edited 26th Aug '14 5:36:37 PM by Nohbody
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There's a Real Life entry about the current events in Eastern Ukraine on Make the Bear Angry Again. I hardly comprehend what it is trying to say, because it is so confused:
I think we can just delete this misguided attempt at "teaching the controversy". The question is, should we also make Make the Bear Angry Again NRLEP?
edited 27th Aug '14 1:32:05 PM by LordGro
Let's just say and leave it at that.
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Not unless it starts attracting more inadvisable Real Life Examples.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
I removed the RL examples on Bright Is Not Good on the grounds of it's a mortality trope, and therefore talking about good vs. evil, not good vs. bad and therefore scientific examples do not qualify, but looking at it again, the description says to limit it to scientific examples. This one probably needs to go up for a vote on if it needs to be full NRELP.
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No, the other one.
Not sure what it means by scientific examples, but yeah, if it's not about morality it's misuse from what I can determine, and should be removed regardless of them being Real Life or not.
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It's not strictly about "morality". It includes "danger" and "threat" as well. So scientific examples would be things like the poison treefrogs and chemical reactions. It's the supertrope to Sickly Green Glow ( a bright, unnatural greenish-yellow or yellowish -green glow indicates that whatever it is, it ain't a good thing) and Hollywood Acid (acids are almost always bright green or yellow). I've reverted the removal.
edited 27th Aug '14 3:45:10 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Fair enough. My inner pendant says morality and non-morality tropes shouldn't be combined like that, but I recognize that's for TRS, not here.
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A couple villain tropes that should probably be NRLEP:
Avenging the Villain: Requires a villain and we do not designate real people as villains.
Being Tortured Makes You Evil: Calling real people evil and a general "examples" natter issue.
Chronic Villainy: Potentially calling real people villains, except that all the "examples" are overly general non-examples.
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"In distress", my ass.
^ I agree with all three of the above nominations, and will crownerize them in a minute.
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Anyway, calling:
- Boarding School of Horrors: Added 23rd Aug '14 at 09:50:20 AM, 6.5:1 (15)
- Idiot Plot: Added 24th Aug '14 at 12:13:03 PM, 14:0
I think Boarding School of Horrors has simmered enough, and the vote hasn't significantly changed since it first hit the minimum listing requirements. However, I'm not too sure about the listing reason from the crowner entry, of "Calling Real Life people (or institutions) evil."
And in regards to Idiot Plot, as I asked before but got no response, should Idiot Ball also be made NRLEP, for the same reason (no plot for RL and calling people idiots)?
[edit] Also, I'll probably not be around for the next 4-5 days, as I'm going to be off to Dragoncon in Atlanta, and even if I was bringing a laptop instead of my tablet I'm not likely to be regularly online during that period.
edited 27th Aug '14 8:38:43 PM by Nohbody
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No, the other one.
Yeah, Idiot Ball should probably be NRLEP. There's one article (in The New Yorker) that could probably belong elsewhere, but other than that it seems like straight real life examples.
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I recently found out that Scrappy Mechanic has a Real Life section. *facepalm*
The issue here should be obvious: Real Life is not a video game; it doesn't have gameplay mechanics. All of the examples are just random shoehorning.
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So what reason are we using for Boarding School?
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And no Idiot Ball because that calls people idiots, right, which goes beyond the mission of the wiki (because heaven forbid the wiki can't do any other things). [/rant]
edited 28th Aug '14 5:50:48 AM by ACW
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No, the other one.
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While you might argue that rules in sports are somewhat equatable to mechanics, I wouldn't say so. Languages and body functions are shoehorns.
edited 28th Aug '14 5:58:34 AM by AnotherDuck
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Okay, I guess I'll put up Befriending the Enemy for this reason:
- Trope requires a villain, and the wiki isn't for calling real life people villains.
edited 28th Aug '14 8:47:29 AM by VeryMelon
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Boarding School of Horrors was sorta flamebaity. It was added to the crowner after I asked about a RL deletion in ATT
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Fair enough. I have deleted that RL entry, though.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
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I think that while it's not technically calling them evil, the tone of the trope isn't much better than that, so it might as well.
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