This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
(she/her)
Um, where does Demoscene go?
Macron's notes
That doesn't seem like a work. An Useful Notes page or a genre, maybe. I think the latter is more likely.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
(she/her)
Ah, I was just confused since it was listed on Work Pages In Main and it's page type is "work" as of this post.
edited 11th Nov '14 1:55:30 AM by MacronNotes
Macron's notes
INCARNATION OF POWER
Where should Typhon Shapeshifter go?
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
~Karjam P: I have an idea about which namespace to put Face-rig in, but I'm curious what storytelling conventions would be in use for the product.
~MacronNotes: I agree with genre, not work. Genres belong in Main/. Works that would be in the Demo Scene genre I would put in the Art/ namespace (they're more like moving and musical statues than directly animated videos). I fixed the page.
~TheBlueMan: Typhon Shapeshifter looks like something invented for TV Tropes.
Question: If a cartoon is made by Italy (Western Animation) and Japan (Anime) working together, in a Franchise that has been a Japanese property for many years, but first released in Italy, would it go in the first or the second namespace?
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Artstyle?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Artstyle? Animesque like Avatar: The Last Airbender, which was made by American and Korean studios.
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That seems like WesternAnimation/, then.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The imaginative Christian Asperger
~Crazy Samaritan: Well, it doesn't have a story per se, but the fact is that it has its own characters created for it (including a mascot red panda named Fluffo). It also has official avatars of various video game characters, an internet meme, a Gamer Slug and even one of PewDiePie himself.
edited 23rd Dec '14 1:40:33 PM by KarjamP
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
It doesn't have characters, it has avatar images.
edited 23rd Dec '14 1:57:10 PM by crazysamaritan
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There is a problem for some time now with Motion Capture 3D CGI movies being categorized in Film/ and staying there for a long time already, notably Beowulf and Tintin.
Should those two be in WesternAnimation/ instead?
edited 28th Dec '14 2:02:08 PM by StFan
The imaginative Christian Asperger
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Those "Avatars" are technically characters as well, especially since several of them are invented for the application while several of them are modeled either after an internet meme, video game characters, public domain characters, an avatar for a certain Youtube channel and PewDiePie.
They're animated in real time using motion capture technology that involves your webcam.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
I saw how they were animated. They do not have any characterization. As far as I can tell, they're not characters, because the person using the software is the character, the avatar is their appearance. The program seems to turn everyone into an Ink-Suit Actor of their own preference.
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The imaginative Christian Asperger
Already PM'd you this, but posting it here anyway: the trope list for the draft of the work page for Face Rig:
- Anthropomorphic Food: Lord Burger is a talking burger with onion rings for eyes and two french fries for eyebrows.
- Character Customisation: Depending on the character, it's possible to alter various parts of their body, from their nose size to the color of their hair to even the color of the mustard Lord Burger has in his "mouth".
- Funny Animal: Fluffo can be seen either wearing Goggles on top of his head, wearing a Christmas hat or having nothing on top of his headnote In addition, he always wear a bandana around his neck. He's also the only character to have his house as an official possible backdrop. Said house looks just like an ordinary human's home.
- Massive Multiplayer Crossover: The software is designed to allow one to assume the form of any potential character as long as they're installed on the system. So far, one can pretend to be Doge, Octodad, a [[Video Game/Starbound Florian]], Steve (via unofficial content), [1] Elise]] in both her human form and her spider form (both via unofficial content), etc.
- Motion Capture: The program uses motion capture in order to animate the heads of the "avatars" as if they're puppets.
- No Plot? No Problem!: The appeal of the program is the ability to pretend to be a fictitious character via motion capture.
- Petting Zoo Person: A few of the characters look like characters you'd find within the Furry Fandom.
- Seldom-Seen Species: By default, Fluffo looks just like a Red Panda.
- Suddenly Voiced: You can invoke this by voicing characters who either normally can't talk (like [[Octodad]) or are silent in their own series (like Steve).
- Talking Animal: Several of the avatars are just ordinary animals.
- Vocal Dissonance: Bound to pop up with certain avatars due to the fact that they has the exact same voice as you. Examples include female avatars with male voices if you happen to be a man using Face Rignote , a demon or dragon with a normal human-sounding voice, etc. It's possible to downplay this trope by using the voice effects feature or a "voice changer", however.
NOTE: planning on fixing the errors at launch. Can't do it now - I'm on an Ipad.
edited 6th Jan '15 6:37:04 PM by KarjamP
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Didn't check this before I responded to the PM, but I'll keep it short here.
Sounds like Web Original to me; the program is designed to be used over the internet. Only thing to keep in mind is that the users (You and me) are the characters, the program provides avatars.
My PM is full of rewriting suggestions, as well as including a couple more tropes, just based on what I saw from your examples.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Thanks. (Although I don't think there's any avatars that invoke the trope A Little Bit Beastly).
Anyway, the idea is to trope the avatars as if they're the characters. After all, several of the avatars, particularly the program's mascot Fluffo (although he's not the only one who is), are actually made for the program and weren't based on characters from a pre-existing work.
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Also, I don't think it's Web Original - it doesn't have to work over the web, as it can work with any webcam software (which itself, doesn't have to work over the web). That, and I've seen many YouTube videos of someone just playing with the program instead of actually using it online.
If that doesn't convince you, there's an option to record a "video" of your performance and perhaps export it as an AVI or frame-by-frame animation to, for example, upload to YouTube or to edit them in your videos.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
A Web Comic can exist as a printed version, too. That doesn't change the fact that it was designed and produced to be used primarily for the internet. Also, Characters requires The 'Verse, which the program does not provide. Users provide The 'Verse, by making those videos you describe, and talking to one another on their webcams. My The 'Verse doesn't have any relation to your version of The 'Verse, so Characters aren't a part of the program, only Digital Avatars to choose from.
Fluffo might get some Characterization Tropes applied for the Advertisements, but that's separate from the program, just like McDonald's advertisements are separate from the company.
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I corrected Mickey Mouse, but there is a television show, Mickey Mouse, which occupies the Western Animation namespace so I used Disney/ instead. Since that is only for the Disney Animated Canon, I'm not sure that to do.
I wouldn't mind, personally, if the Disney/ namespace is extended a bit beyond the Disney Animated Canon, since its usage is specifically to disambiguate such cases. But it would need a strong consensus behind it.
I would put Demoscene in Machima based off the fact that Vocaloid is in Music. That or Advertising.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
The problem with Machinima is that it requires a videogame engine (a program) that the video is then filmed inside of. The Demoscene is a program that produces the video directly, from a specific device. This isn't filming within a videogame engine, this is creating a program that produces the artwork without additional input.
A Machinima may have multiple films from any given videogame engine. A Demoscene has only one video per program/device
edited 10th Jan '15 11:36:16 AM by crazysamaritan
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I recently noticed that the Script/ namespace isn't official per se, despite being used by a dozen work pages already.
The question is, should we push it into the ranks of official namespaces, or can all these works be instead placed in other, more fitting namespaces?
Either way works for me. I think that scripts usually include stage directions, so having a Script/ namespace might make sense.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
There's a piece of software called "FaceRig
" That I would like to create a page for.
It's certainly tropable, even though there's no plot for it. However, since it's not a video game nor a machinima, I don't know what namespace to put it under.
edited 5th Nov '14 5:08:12 AM by KarjamP