The Other Troper
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I have no problem with this idea, but the name Freudian Trio might be taken the wrong way
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The Spock also needs to be reworked since the other two are defined by how they fit into the Freudian Power Trio while The Spock defines a character that is specifically alien in his way of thinking. The Spock is not always The Superego and The Superego is not always The Spock but if we're going to split The Superego from The Spock then the other two need to be renamed to The Ego and The Id to match up, otherwise it'll cause confusion all over the place.
I'm open to suggestions. Ego Superego And Id would be straightforward.
The Other Troper
Well those terms might be correct, but not always understood.
Emotion Logic And The Middle Guy is a bit clunky, but it could work if tweaked.
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Power Trio since that's how it's already being used.
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I don't think Three Amigos should be changed (maybe renamed but that's it) because it describes a specific three-person ensemble. Power Trio should be made the supertrope because it's used as a catch-all for three-person groups anyway.
Id Ego And Superego would be more accurate than Ego Superego And Id because that is the traditional order (and most examples of the trope are written that way). Besides, it seems to flow better when you read it out loud. But I’d prefer that the trope’s name be a single group name instead of a list of the members’ roles, which is why I always thought Power Trio worked well.
Power Trio and Three Amigos can overlap, but Three Amigos has doesn’t necessarily have conflict/mediating, while a Power Trio is based mainly on that.
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There's still conflict in the Three Amigos because two of the characters are typically opposites, which still fits with the "two Foils mediated by a third." Keep in mind the Foils in the archetypical Power Trio conflicted in the same way most of the time and never willingly fought each other. The extent of the conflict simply depends on the tone and setting of the work.
As for possible names for the Ego Superego And Id trio, I still think Freudian Trio works because they're cemented in Freudian psychology.
"Thorough preparation must lead to success. Neglect nothing."
If you're going to have an overarching supertrope for all groups of three people, why even bother with the "power" part of Power Trio? Why not just The Trio?
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In order to keep the wicks and inbounds, since people are using it to mean "any group of three" anyway.
"Thorough preparation must lead to success. Neglect nothing."
Redirect are free, y'know.
Well, we do have Freudian Couch, Freudian Excuse, Freudian Slip...I guess Freudian Trio does fit naming conventions. But if the name is going to change, then yes, Power Trio would become the supertrope.
Rabid Fujoshi
I wholeheartedly agree with this. Power Trio should be the Group of Three supertrope, and the current Power Trio should become Freudian Trio. I also support renaming The Kirk, The Spock and The McCoy, or perhaps renaming The Spock and making a new The Spock to actually represent a Spock-like character. The current The Kirk, representing the Ego is actually the one who is supposed to be associated more with pure logic and reasoning, the Super Ego is more of The-Law-Right-Or-Wrong kind of thing. Also The McCoy might should become a redirect to The Heart, since the The Id could just as easily represent an Adult Child character as one more akin to the actual McCoy.
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Crowner added.
Please vote and give additional input to this.
Added some reasons against renaming, linked to the wick check in the first post, and tweaked the formatting of the crowner.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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I went ahead and Sandboxed a possible new page for Power Trio if this goes ahead. Feel free to make suggestions. In particular, I'm wondering if we should split the tropes between those that can apply to any three-character ensemble and those that specifically describe "two foils and a third".
"Thorough preparation must lead to success. Neglect nothing."
Uh, if you read the page, Power Trio is not necessarily Superego Ego And Id.
A common form has characters representing the Freudian Ego, Superego, and Id:
The real definition of Power Trio is a pair of foils and a mediator between them. As the page says, it's often Freudian but that's not an essential part of the trope.
Since that's true, most trios fit this (this is after all the reason trios are so popular). So I vote no on a split, because it's not necessary.
edited 29th Mar '11 5:49:34 PM by BlackHumor
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Every paragraph but the first talks about the Superego, Ego and Id. Every single listed example talks about the Superego, Ego and Id. The way the first paragraph is phrased means that it talks about three-person ensembles as a whole, and then says that the Power Trio is a common type.
"Thorough preparation must lead to success. Neglect nothing."
This thread confuses me. As Black Humor is pointing, this trope is not about Id, Ego and Supereg. This is pretty clear in the first two paragraphs. Yet, the op post seems to think it is. This would mean all the search about misuse is bunk.
What exactly is being discussed here?
PS:Danm, ninja'ed.
So you says people are misusing this for the classic Freudian Trio? Because that is the misuse.
Also, "very paragraph but the first talks about the Superego, Ego and Id" is not correct. The second paragraph, the first to mention this dynamic, just says it is a common organization. The 4th and the last also mention it, but at the same time the 1st, the 3rd and the 5th are pretty neutral.
edited 29th Mar '11 6:07:03 PM by Heatth
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Either way, there should be a split. If this trope is about Superego, Ego and Id then there needs to be a supertrope for all three-character ensembles. If this trope is about three-character ensembles as a whole, there should be a subtrope for Superego, Ego and Id because it's common. Note that not all three-character ensembles fall under the Superego, Ego and Id theme.
edited 29th Mar '11 6:06:34 PM by MC42
"Thorough preparation must lead to success. Neglect nothing."
Stop ninja'ing me. 
I edited my last post, give a look. The examples are, indeed, overly focused in Id, Ego and Superego, but the trope description is not.
For what I see, what constitutes a 'misuse' is the opposite of what you seems to believe. Taking it for 'Freudian Trio' is the misuse, not the opposite.
It is a very widespread misuse, as it seems, though. If it is being used that way more then correctly, I would agree with the split, but with 'Power Trio' reffering to Ego, Superego, Id dynamics, with a new trope for Super-Trope.
Crown Description:
Vote up for yes, down for no.
Proposed Action: Take the current definition of Power Trio (Superego, Ego and Id) and rename it into Freudian Trio. Rework Power Trio so it's a supertrope for all three-person ensembles, possibly focusing on two Foils mediated by a third person.
Rationale: Power Trio is being misused to mean any group of three when it specifically refers to a three-person dynamic revolving aroung the Superego and Id as Foils mediated by the Ego. In addition, there is no trope that covers three-character ensembles as a whole.
The Power Trio is one of the Tropes Of Legend. This is fine. However, because of this, people are working it into examples where it doesn't belong and people think that it's something it really isn't. The description for Power Trio specifically refers to a trio split along the lines of Freudian psychology: specifically, the Superego and Id mediated by the Ego. However, the name of the trope does not specify this, leading people to think it refers to any group of three, regardless of whether they're split along these lines. Not all of them are. As a result, we have a lot of subtropes regarding three-person ensembles mentioning that they're subtropes of Power Trio when they have little to do with the Freudian archetype and can exist without fulfilling it.
With that said, the basic underlying idea behind the Freudian Power Trio and other three-person ensembles like Two Guys and a Girl, Three Amigos and The Three Faces of Eve is that there are two Foils mediated by a third party. That is what I believe Power Trio should focus on. While the aforementioned ensembles can also be Freudian Trios, they don't have to be and trying to force any group of three into Power Trio is what's causing the problem.
Subtropes could be defined as such:
- Freduian Trio - When a Power Trio represents the Ego, Superego and Id.
- Three Amigos - The mediator is The Hero and the foils are his/her best friends, often in a school setting.
- Two Guys and a Girl - Two male Foils, one of whom is The Hero, mediated by a female.
etc.Categorization of use - First 50 non-punctuated wicks analyzed:
edited 20th Mar '11 11:43:06 AM by MC42
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