The Bowdlerise section seems like a mess. Should all of the examples on that section be removed leaving it with just the description? It seems like it's trying to get endless bowdlerize examples with literally every song Kidz Bop has covered. I don't know if the examples are worth removing or not, but some shortening or removing might need to be done. What should be done about the Bowdlerise section?
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Trim it down to a description of the content Kidz Bop removes.
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Should the songs in the Age-Inappropriate Art and Bowdlerize sections be arranged in chronological order of the albums they're on?
Also if an artist has more than one song of theirs bowdlerized, should all of those songs be in one bullet point or in individual bullet points for each song? Some examples are the entries for Bruno Mars, Katy Perry and Lady Gaga's songs. At first all of their songs were joined in together in one bullet point but then I changed it so that the song bowdlerization examples were individualized. However, I recently changed it to all of the artists' songs joined together in one bullet point since that's how it was originally, but I still don't know what to do with it.
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What do you mean about the second one? Do you mean that the bowdlerizations of an artist's songs should be joined together all in one bullet point or in individual bullet points?
Alright, but is the whole chronological order arrangement supposed to be for artists with only song appearing in the franchise? Because if the bowdlerized songs from just one artist appeared all in one bullet point, that would leave all the other chronologically arranged songs each from one different artist.
Also, should the album numbers be removed, or does it depend on whether the section is Age-Inappropriate Art or Bowdlerize? Because in the Age-Inappropriate Art section I don't want there to be a million entries saying "also on [instert album number] is" or "[insert song] is on [insert album number]". In that case, how should the chronological arrangement be organized? The Bowdlerize section also has too many entries with "[insert song here] from [insert album number here]".
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List them all chronologically, but for artists with multiple songs, list them based on when they first appeared in the franchise.
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Would the whole Billboard Hot 100 #1 hits and Top 10 overview be eligible to be moved to an Analysis page? It seems like it could go on forever.
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I think it would be a good idea.
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Actually, since "Can't Feel My Face" and "The Hills" broke the streak, should the whole updates on what #1 singles make the next album be removed?
"Can't Stop The Feeling!" and "Cheap Thrills" seem likely to make it on 33, but "Closer" will almost certainly get passed over due to its sexual lyrics (especially in the chorus).
So after a new hit becomes #1 after "Closer", should a year be waited out to see if the #1 streak becomes consecutive again (thus being eligible to update the overview again)?
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Given Kidz Bop's been surprising us with hits in the past, I feel that "Closer" will almost certainly not be passed over. It's going to be way bigger than CSTF and Cheap Thrills, and "Closer" looks like something they'd work around. If Kidz Bop 33 was coming out in October like 3 did, then I'd say "Closer" wouldn't make it on. But it will most likely be coming out in January which means there's plenty of time for it. According to Genius.com, it's a "millennial romance anthem that celebrates youth and heartbreak", which doesn't sound like anything Kidz Bop would pass over. Unless the Chainsmokers can pull out another hit in time then there's not much working against this song's inclusion.
"Closer" will be on 33, mark my words.
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Am I the only one that feels like the Age-Inappropriate Art songs that only list the title need explainations as to why they're inapproriate song choices? (eg. Usher's "Burn", Hoobastank's "The Reason", Justin Timberlake's "Suit And Tie".)
I'm not saying that some of these aren't inappropriate song choices, but still.
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Also are there any songs that need to be removed from the Age-Inappropriate Art section due to not being that inappropriate, and do you think there are any explainations that need to be rephrased?
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Off the top of my head, you can probably remove "Burn".
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Done and done. Aside from that, are there any explainations that should be shortened or changed due to containing Natter? I think some of the explainations need rephrasing.
Also Bowdlerise could potentially get its own page. That's basically the point of Kidz Bop and this trope seems to be taking up half of the page.
Also I don't some of the Age-Inappropriate Art entries. Some of them use their objectionable lyrics as explainations (eg. "Love Me Harder", "Cruise") which usually get changed.
Yeah, keep in mind that for Age-Inappropriate Art, if the songs are Bowdlerized to the point of being age-appropriate, they're no longer an example of the trope.
I'm commenting out Zero Context Examples and cutting non-examples and moving those here:
- Cee Lo Green's "Forget You!". Thankfully, they use the radio-edited version, but the explicit version is literally called "Fuck You!" and has several instances of the N and S-Words.
- Gorillaz's "Feel Good Inc.", which includes lyrics such as "Melancholy town where we never smile" that they DO NOT CHANGE.
- Okay, I cut this because this is frankly ridiculous. That's a lyric that's about as offensive as a Dr. Seuss rhyme
- Wiz Khalifa's "See You Again." Yup, Kidz Bop singing about death. Just what we needed.
- It's a song about saying good bye to a dear friend. Yes, it's written in tribute to a dead guy, but that's irrelevant.
- "Thrift Shop" is the first song on "24". Yes, that "Thrift Shop". You know, the one that contains excessive swearing throughout alongside him bragging about his genitalia to the club...
- '''Does he say that in the Kidz Bop version? No? Then it's irrelevant.
- Macklemore's "Downtown". It's basically the sequel to "Thrift Shop", combined with "Uptown Funk!": It contains excessive swearing, a mention of his genitalia, and lyrics like "A bad little mama with her ass in my face!".
- Except I'm assuming that, you know, it doesn't.
So basically strong language doesn't matter in songs anymore if Kidz Bop finds a way to work around it, right?
What about if the original version of a song has an explicit title (eg. Cee Lo Green's "Forget You!" notably being titled "Fuck You!").
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In that case, should all the examples be cut?
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@Spinosegnosaurus 77 Can the Zero Context Examples be re-entered if they contain explainations as to why they're inappropriate?
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Why does it feel like the Age-Inappropriate Art area could make its own page? I'm not saying it needs to, only that it feels like it could.
But that's just me.
Bowdlerize fits even more. Yikes!
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Hey, guys? Bowdlerization is specifically about editing the material to clean it up. It's not "a change to the material." This incidental lyric changes, or changes from someone's name to "Kidz Bop" are not instances of this.
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I've been told that the offender is in for a chat.
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Ah, I see.
... clearly the same person as Murtropia who did the exact same thing in the past.
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Kidz Bop is everything I hate about modern music. Children singing horrible covers of songs they have no business performing, let alone listening to, with lyrics they should never utter.
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Man I agree with you. But also this page must use Sarcasm Mode the most.
Okay, so I pulled Unexpected Song for a few reasons. First off, it's potholed to Unexpected Character, which isn't allowed. Secondly... it seems pretty Square Peg Round Trope, and I feel like that requires some discussion. And lastly, the entries are just... odd. They're mostly Zero Context Examples, and some of them make no sense (how is "Fancy" a big surprise? Despite the subject matter, it was a huge song with a catchy hook. If you're still surprised by them having Age-Inappropriate lyrics by now, that's on you. And "Let It Go"? That's insane). Any genuinely useful information is covered by Age-Inappropriate Art, I feel. Though some of those need to be changed to Bowdlerize.
I'll discuss individual examples if you want, but I'm not going to bother if we decide it's not worth having the trope anyway.
- Unexpected Song:
- Kidz Bop 6: "Burn"
- Kidz Bop 7: "1985" and "Float On"
- Kidz Bop 8: "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" and "Take Me Out"
- Kidz Bop 9: "Wake Me Up When September Ends", "Feel Good, Inc." and "Axel F"
- Kidz Bop 10: "Hung Up"
- Kidz Bop 11: "A Public Affair" and "Lips of an Angel"
- Kidz Bop 12: "Home" (remember, "It's Not Over" also made it, so the presence of two Daughtry songs on the same album wasn't something that people could see coming. Since "It's Not Over" was a hit first, its chances were better than "Home"'s.)
- Kidz Bop 13: "Party Like A Rock Star"
- Kidz Bop 14: "Sorry", "Superstar" and "Take You There"
- Kidz Bop 15: "Let It Rock" and "Tell Me Something I Don't Know"
- Kidz Bop 16: "How Do You Sleep?", "Live Your Life" and "Hoedown Throwdown"
- Kidz Bop 17: "Paparazzi"
- Kidz Bop 18: "Single Ladies" (the album came out one and a half years after "Single Ladies" topped the charts; they were probably cashing in the the popularity of the second Alvin & The Chipmunks movie, though.)
- Kidz Bop 19: "Club Can't Handle Me," "Magic," and "Please Don't Go" (remember, "Airplanes" and "Cooler Than Me" also made it, so the presence of two B.o.B. and Mike Posner songs was unexpected, and since "Airplanes" and "Cooler Than Me" were much bigger hits than their followups, the odds of making it were in their favor). Since Kidz Bop have as of lately allowed no more than one artist each to be covered twice per album, it was quite shocking to see them chose minor B.o.B. and Mike Posner hits. There's also Neon Trees' "Animal," a Mind Screw of a song that's either about drugs/overdose, cannibalism, or not getting over someone. No interpretation is appropriate for children. It may have gotten in because it's ridiculously catchy.
- Kidz Bop 20: "Forget You" and "Perfect" were the biggest surprises, but "The Story of Us" and "Tonight Tonight" are also notable. The former is a Taylor Swift hit that failed to hit the Hot 100's top 40, while the latter song, by then-unknown band Hot Chelle Rae, would become a huge hit in the summer but never took off until after the track listing was released. (Of, course, had Kidz Bop passed it over for "20," it almost certainly would have made it onto "21.")
- Kidz Bop 21: "Party Rock Anthem" and "Fly." "It Girl" was quite a shock too, as neither it nor "Fly" were that big of a hit. Chances are, if "Tonight, Tonight" didn't make it onto Kidz Bop 20, it would have taken the spot of either "It Girl" or "Fly" for "21."
- Kidz Bop 22: "Starships" and "Tonight is the Night" (and, to a lesser degree, "Wild Ones" and "Dance Again"). "Lights," which was an iTunes bonus track, is a unique case, as Kidz Bop jumped on it before it really became a big hit, and there was no time to pull it off the track listing at the last minute and save it for "23."
- Kidz Bop 23: "Gangnam Style." Nobody thought that Kidz Bop would bother to cover a song sung almost entirely in Korean, but were they wrong. "I Cry", "Locked Out Of Heaven" and "Diamonds" fit to a lesser extent.
- Kidz Bop 24: "Thrift Shop," "Suit & Tie" and "Don't Stop The Party" (and, to a lesser extent, "I Love It" and "Feel This Moment"). Some of the more surprising omissions include "When I Was Your Man" and "Daylight." "Don't You Worry Child" and "Stay" were also big enough hits to make the main disc, but got relegated to bonus tracks.
- Kidz Bop 25: "Summertime Sadness" and "The Fox". The former was a shock for reasons stated above; the latter was an Internet meme that got zero airplay.
- Kidz Bop 26: "Sing" and "Let It Go". The former was surprising for reasons mentioned above; the latter was a song from a Disney animated movie that got little radio airplay.
- Kidz Bop 27: "Fancy" was the biggest surprise, but "Really Don't Care" and "Cool Kids" are also notable. The former was a Demi Lovato track that failed to reach the Hot 100's top 25; the latter, by then-unknown band Echosmith, would later become a bigger hit, but was just taking off when the track listing was revealed.
This page is confusing me. Album titles are supposed to be italicized, but people aren't. This page can't make up whether it's supposed to refer to the album series, the people who work for Kidz Bop, or the performers, since it frequently uses "their cover", and from Kidz Bop being italicized we can assume that it means the album series, but once again the page uses "their cover", and albums obviously aren't people, so when the page uses "their" it's obviously referring to the performers, yet the title is italicized. Inconsistency much?