- In Code Geass, most of the major male characters were presented as Anti Heroes at best. As a result most of them are either killed or given a horrible punishment. With one exception the only men who get out of the conflict well are those that are subservient to women; Ohgi is hated because for this reason. The female characters on the other hand all get a "Get Out of Jail Free" Card. Other examples include Villetta Nu and Cornelia who get off despite not being any better.
Ok, seriously, what's this doing here? First of all CG is Morality Kitchen Sink with Hazy Feel Turns all over the place. It's hard to tell who is good or bad at any given point, let alone in general. Secondly whoever wrote this seems under impression that "death=punishment" and everyone who survived to the end is a good guy. and those who didn't are bad guys(never mind that Euphemia was one genuinely good guy and she died). As far as i can tell most characters are guys but willigness to go to extremes isn't corelated with sex in any way. Kallen is just as conflicted after Narita as Lelouch is, Cornellia is just as willing to commit war crimes as Schneisel(remember her ordering deaths of surrendering rebels?). It's just most major players(Lelouch, Suzaku, Schneisel, Charles, Mao) are guys therefore their actions are more visible.
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Also, big spoiler, but (spoiler tags do not seem to work here):
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Marianne- though initially seen as a kind mother- is a complete bitch, and Lelouch pretty much says that all her “reasons” were selfish excuses.
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Why is Leverage on here? They had several female villains whose motivations weren't motivated by men. In particular, there was was that executive who wanted to cause drought in order make a profit.
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If the fish example proves anything, it's clearly that (wait for it) men are betta than women! (rimshot) (audience boos and throws food at the stage)
Azor Ahai
I deleted the And Then There Were None example, and here's why. First, the character who is ultra-religious is presented very unsympathetically, and in the case of Vera, in the version that she's guilty, she's considered the most evil character (the killer kills in order of least to most culpability), and in the versions she survives (and innocent), so does a male character (who also turns out to be innocent).
Regarding the maid whose husband forced her into causing a death, the murderer does consider her more innocent than her husband, but he still kills both of them, and he kills the religious fanatic female character too (and with the order of culpability, two male characters are considered less culpable than she is).
It is true that the female victims are killed less gruesomely than some of the male ones, but I don't think you can really diagnose this trope in a work where a Serial-Killer Killer kills both men and women.
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Bird mom
Ok. To stop this Edit War before the page gets locked how about the Code Geass people talk their example out here. Not a fan of the series but I seriously don't want this page locked so soon after launch.
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Ok. Just took out the Kallen example. This isn't the first time hartbreak has argued this (see also the Just Bugs Me pages of the series).
Ok for a week i will take out the part with Nunnally and Kallen however I will put them back unless somebody shows me how they are wrong. Nunnally was in charge of nuking the cities and while Schneizel did support and defend the decision both of them said she was in charge and not a figure head. As for Kallen she did all the actions I mentioned and whenever I point this out people just say it is not true and they blame other people that were also involved with it or give her Lelouch's motivation or response to justify it.
I think you remember the series better than I do, but my recollection is that it was pretty clear that Schneizel was manipulating Nunally. I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but wasn't it something like Nunally agreed with the plan to threaten nuking and at one point, was going to try and push the button and pull a similar Zero Approval Rating Gambit as Lelouch. IIRC, Schneizel lied about the "nukes just as a threat" though, didn't he?
I clearly remember though that Nunally was not "in charge" of the nuking cities.
Edit- I looked to see if there was a Code Geass wiki, and naturally, there is. Nunnally did try to fire nukes but Lelouch stopped her
. The whole nuking threat plan and carrying out was all Schneizel though (these are links to those character pages that seem to provide a good description of the plot).
He said he was only going to use it as a threat before it went off in Tokyo, by the time by the time this happened in the series and Lelouche made a bunch of people Geass zombies they made it clear that they were going to use it as it was the only way to stop their brothers control. They implied that he might be manipulating her for most the final ark and Cornellia even wondered if that was the case, however in the final she states that the plan was her's and not his and they were doing it for a Zero Percent Approval Rating Gambit, by the time this was stated Schneizel was already a Geass zombie so people just blamed it all on him. also she was scene pushing the button to drop the bombs but it seemed to cause her great pain.
Also Azule I have pointed out in the past Kallon misdeeds liked you pointed out I have mentioned it before however the explanations how she was innocent seem to border on Insane Troll Logic but I decided not to push the point because it was a fictional show, I also did not check on edits i maid afterward commenting on this so you might have undone them
Learn grammar and spelling. Honestly, your interpretation of the show is totally at odds with the actual show.
Also, took this out:
- GTO had several female students that were Complete Monster and committed several felonies, however they all eventually joined him and became Retired Complete Monster still not showing remorse for their actions. Whoever was supposed to be sympathetic because of things like they were a Lonely Rich Kid or had a Big Brother Bully.
Since the show treated them as sympathetic and redeemable, those characters obviously were not complete monsters, and really, the whole point of the show is that all of the students, both male and female have some reason for being delinquents and become better people thanks to Onizuka's influence.
Hodor
Insane Troll Logic? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Sometimes I wonder if you have a selective memory.
Jordin I know My spelling is bad however one of the good things about this wiki is that people usually know what you mean and correct things you missed for instance i said whoever instead of however, and I am currently in the middle of a rather saver illness so I might miss more things and take longer to respond.
As for GTO maybe complete monsters was to harsh a term but male delinquents he converted happened were Kunio and his friends which happened early on when he was able to beat them. The girls on the other hand like Anko and Miyabi continued activities that involves embezzling attempted murder and rape (even though it was later stated that it was just her Girl Pose that did the last one, she only watched). Anko did eventually stop torturing Noboru after he saved her life but she was still doing the same activities to other people. I never saw the end of the series but I know Miyabi was also eventually converted somehow and it was somehow shown to be OK because of her Freudian Excuse. Both excuses were because of men, a neglectful father and a big brother bully, and thus not their fault, and nobody seemed to give the same consideration to a boy that was raped by his mother and the stuff he did while bad was on par with the girls, and he is labeled a complete monster.
Also the Geass Wiki seems to have a few facts wrong, as even though Shnizal acted as spokes man and seemed to be giving the military commands he was shown telling Nunnally when the bombs were set and it was her call when to fire them even if she was not on the bridge, it being all Nunnally idea was a bit of a twist and even though it was implied it was never said the mass bombings were his plans just the battle strategy against their brother, if you watch the episode you can see the was the one doping bombs and always know what schnizel was doing, considering how horrible of a dictator Leluche was you can not really blame her for her actions but it was still her plan.
http://rutube.ru/tracks/3919190.html skip to about 7:02 to hear her motive rant
http://rutube.ru/tracks/3917244.html in this video you can clearly see her dropping bombs and communicating with her brother
Azul when have i used that ITL I was merely stating things that happened, while nothing is ever solely one person fault, tell me what episodes contradict my statements and no she did not think she would be captured is not an excuse
Her use of the underground tunnels does not imply she used the Shinjuku people as human shields. Inferring she did is what is Insane Troll Logic.
She was making her escape by going into a heavily populated area and was planning on hiding there. She did not expect them to attack and kill all the innocent people which were collateral damage in getting to her. In real life this is actually a common tactic among real life terrorist and people that respond like Britannia did are usually (and rightfully) condemned like Saddam Hussein. However she was still using innocent people for cover which is pretty much the definition of human shields.
While being chased by armed military guards after stealing poisons gas she escaped by going under and hiding in a heavily populated area, what would you call that.
Escaping from the enemy? That was her escape route. It's not like she chose it to "dare" the soldiers into attacking. It would only really be a use of human shields if the Black Knights purposefully had hideouts under like hospitals, malls, and the like.
Hodor
they have other hideouts in less populated area and escape routs plus the mission was botched early on so they could have left the gas and made a retreat. hiding around lots of people makes them targets as you can see from several the most recent wars, assuming the military will not attack innocent civilian is a long time tactic of terrorist and gorilla fighters. Maybe I am just applying to much real world logic for a cartoon but by definition they were hoping the people would shield them from attack.
What a mess. Near damn every culprit in the series is a Sympathetic Murderer to an extent and it's in no way shape or form correlated with sex. There are a few rotten apples but they're on BOTH sides (Junko, Monaka, Haiji, their dad, Taeko, Korky) so again, no correlation. The entries tend to single out certain aspects of certain characters while ignoring the context and generally tend to apply double standards just to make the case. Mikan is singled out as Junko's psycho supported but that's true for the WHOLE CAST, so there is no way to apply it to Mikan specifically. Sayaka's actions are completely taken out of context, while Leon is presented as sympathetic just because Sayaka started it (which in-universe was a clear case of Playing the Victim Card), despite NO ONE buying it. Makoto defends him, but he also defends Sayaka, well aware that none of it would've happened if Monokuma didn't force them to play the game. Aoi's case is ignored completely. Trope is about a RULE, not individual cases.