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Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Could probably use a split, started by DRCEQ on Oct 17th 2010 at 9:09:56 AM
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Put in real life too.
This trope might need some repairs, because I see it used a lot in the context of things that would make anybody angry. Stuff like, "don't kill his little sister!" or (on symphony of the night's page) "don't trap him in a nightmare in which you, an evil demon, mess with his memories by posing as his mother!" (obviously not exact quotes)
When someone does something that's outright evil to a character and it makes them mad, that isn't this trope, that's just normal emotions. Not every example of anger is an example of Berserk Button.
You are completely right. There is a clean-up project for this very problem, which probably needs more muscle.
I think the problem lies in the description line:
This completely clashes with the below line:
Will it help if we added "Unusual" before the trope name? By renaming the trope this way, it could help show that it's not always about stuff that make the character angry.
I believe that this trope needed no repairs in the first place. I would like to point out that there are multiple characters throughout all sources of media who have a distinct wide variety of emotions. Not everyone would have the same type of anger towards one thing while the other person does. For example as one character may hate the fact that someone attacks their siblings or friends but at the same time another character may not care for friends or siblings and may nonchalantly kill them. It shows not everyone has normal emotions as they're as several types of characters who get a pass for the typical Berserk Button. It makes the trope much more complicated and adds on specific things that do not need to be added it was broken before so it doesn't need fixing there have been many Berserk Button tropes being deleted and it doesn't make sense. The fact that if there was something that made a character angry more than ever which is that specific button it should be added and not deleted. Now this is not a diss on your belief on what it should be but your belief in what this trope should be is not all that equal and is not open to other possibilities as all characters are different and what is normal emotion in your eyes may not be normal in someone else's. It's a simple trope and should be simple so I think we should either gain approval to delete this line
"This trope is not about anger in response to something that would reasonably enrage someone, like a loved one being hurt or threatened, being personally insulted, or otherwise treated in a way that's disrespecting, because that is a reasonable response. If you see such an example on the page, or were link here by such an example, please remove it."
or find a way to change it because it doesn't offer an equal opportunity for some characters who don't have the same beliefs as others. And if this trope is to be as difficult and complicated despite being relatively simple as then it shouldn't even be a trope. It is also highly demanding when this should be very easy for someone as they are reading it not to be confused or wondering what they should do with it.
Is there any set basis for instilling a No Real Life Examples Please on pages other than neutrality? How could real life examples of this trope compromise neutrality? Is not acknowledging what pisses people off a staple of the Swiss Congress?
NRLEP is decided by a set voting process carried out in the Real Life section maintenance thread. The item must be up for a minimum amount of time, and it must accumulate at least ten votes in a 2:1 stable ratio. Come take a look at the current crowner if you like.
This only applies to tropes that aren't default NRLEP.
Listing every real person who gets angry at things is not only pointless but also basically Troper Tales. We don't give a crap about it and it is utterly irrelevant to the wiki's mission.
Alright, fair enough, so then wouldn't it be prudent to put the rationale behind NRLEP on the main page instead of making a cute little wiki roleplay at the expense of people knowing why it's there in the first place?
It's listed on No Real Life Examples, Please!.
As much as I like the humor in that part, I agree that it would be a good idea to explain the reason why it's No Real Life Examples Please in the description for people reading it. If we don't want to change that line we could always add a note.
If this is a No Real Life Examples trope, shouldn't a lot of the ones in the Music section be either removed or put under Fandom Berserk Buttons?
What is it you call someone that intentionally/unintentionally pushes berserk buttons.
Isn't that usually called a "button pusher"?
I don't know what it's called, and it's not a trope right now.
I have the feeling, that the description for dramatic works is at odds with the general description. The general one is about "seemingly innocuous" things like mentioning height with disproportionate reactions, while for dramatic works it is mentioned that "threatening someone they care about" would be one - which is hardly innocuous. I think the latter works less well, since this tends to be a roaring rage of rampage or something akin to that, so that this trope would only be a clone, while I always understood the Berserk Button trope to be about this one hidden thing that puts someone over the edge and it wouldn't be expected if you did not know him.
We need to get rid of the Real Life section. There are too many examples and many of them are very personal.
Alternatively, they're general statements of things which can cause anger (e.g. "A mother gets mad if you harm her kids"). Bring it up in this thread.
Aren't a lot of the examples just cases of people being angry for very justifiable reasons? Example:
"Assassin's Creed I: Do not kill people whom Alta´r loves. He will fly into an Unstoppable Rage and go on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge." That's not a Berserk Button. It's perfectly understandable for someone to be violently angry when their family is harmed. A Berserk Button requires something seemingly innocent as the trigger.
I was thinking that very thing. Another example is Charles in Little House on the Prarie "Anyone attempting to harm his wife and children." Who wouldn't get angry at that?
A lot of crime/medical shows have "Violence against women and children" which is pretty normal to me. Doug Ross from ER could count though because he's extreme about it (losing it, sometimes physically, on people he only suspects of abusing a child without much evidence).
Should this article be split, there seems to be enough variety between it's use that it could be two- or three tropes.
one for Berserk buttons that trigger,Oh, Crap! Moments in who ever pressed it.
ex; Mocking a Dead Little Sister
one for serious but not rage-filled outbursts when pressed.
Three: Where the Berserk button is either used for comedy or has a comedic reaction.
I second this. When I think of Berserk Button, I think of things that send people into an Unstoppable Rage, things that lead to a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown or even Cold-Blooded Torture for vengance, not merely a stern lecture or angry outburts. Plus, some of the examples of real life berserk buttons look like they were exaggerated for the point of comedy. For example, saying "Joisey" in New Jersey will get you beaten black and blue or even killed? In reality it'll usually get you laughed at or at worst mocked. I think it should be split into two pages.
1. Berserk Button: When something sends characters into a fit of rage that induces an Oh, Crap! or This Is Gonna Suck moment.
2. Pet Peeve: When something annoys a character enough that they say something about it, usually irritatedly, or at worst Dope Slap the other person.
Two examples from Annoying Orange that would fit in each place.
1. Berserk Button: Marshmallow's reaction to Grapefruit torching his picture of Princess Butterflykiss.
2. Pet Peeve: Midget Apple telling people "That's LITTLE Apple!" when they call him Midget Apple.
Many examples here do not show the characters exploding in a fit of rage but only getting irritated. Berserk Button is not the same thing as Pet Peeve, but the two are being used interchangibly on this wiki.
For example, let's say that Goku loses a penny, here would be his reactions.
Pet Peeve: I lost a penny, dammit! I HATE when that happens.
Berserk Button: I.......LOST......A.......PENNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *followed by Goku trashing the place*
The Troper Tales page needs to be unlocked. I have a few Berserk Buttons myself.
It was locked for being incredibly whiny and childish, with people displaying Psychopathic Manchild and internet tough guy behavior. "If you say (something innocuous, probably about some lame thing no one cares about) in front of me, I'll rip your head off durr durr durr I'm not a dangerous lunatic"
I don't think this quote belongs on the quotes page — there's nothing here to indicate a Berserk Button.
Kyle Broflovski is normally calm except 1) when Cartman mocks Jews around him, and 2) when he's surrounded by the denizens of New Jersey.
Is it me, or can nearly all of the recently-added examples be boiled down to "don't do X to my favorite badass character, because that's when he's most badass". Not really Berserk Button examples, but just examples of when the character happened to start a fight in the originating media. That's not a Berserk Button in my opinion, it's just a plot point.
I mean, I might as well add "Don't magically paralyze Neville Longbottom and put a flaming hat on his head unless you want your snake decapitated!" That's not a berserk button... that's a plot point.
So are all programmers batshit insane or something?
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The lady, she protests too much, methinks. =)
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