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Yeah I do agree that this might need a new title since a lot of people just use it rant about shows such as the entry on Diabolik Lovers (if it's still up anyway) since some are more are like rants rather than the standard "make something sound more epic than it actually is" and some in the discussion are under the impression that all the entries are being called the worse of the worse as if they didn't read the main page
Maybe we should call this page "Not as epic as we let on". While some of these are pretty bad, some of these descriptions make good or at least average works sound even more amazing.
All right which one of you wise guys put Veggie Tales up here???
A peron called 18.104.22.168 on the 14th Aug '10 7:19:12 AM. Look at page histories.
Didn't John K (the creator) say that the executives forced him to make it for a more mature audience? He even said that if he were to make a new Ren & Stimpy cartoon, he would make it for kids, first and foremost! Do your danged research before putting up examples here!
Do individual episodes even count? Ed Eddn Eddy is the only series to have them listed.
EDIT: OK, the description clearly says it's for describing a work, which I will take to mean the whole work. Pulled:
As for Dueling Eds, how does that description sound good or bad?
While cleaning up the wicks to lolicon to match its new definition as a character type, I found this example I'm not sure how to make work:
Earthworm Jim? EARTHWORM FUCKING JIM? What the hell?
But Earthworm Jim 3D on the other hand deserves to be here.
Fear of a Blank Planet is bad?
It seems like this page, at least for the anime, is "Less Pretentious Than It Sounds" than "Worse Than It Sounds". Attaching grandiose themes to something doesn't necessarily make it better; sometimes it does the opposite.
Did you see the example in the description? Pretension is one of the ways this page allows examples.
I don't think the person who wrote up the entry for Knights of the Old Republic quite understood the concept behind "Worse Than It Sounds" — it's written as a straightforward, if heavily abbreviated, summary of the game's story, but with all Star Wars-specific references removed so it reads like a generic fantasy plot. I'm going to remove it, but I'll reproduce the entry here in case anyone can think of a way to rewrite it so it sounds better than the game really is.
Knights Of The Old Republic: A fallen hero, savior turned conqueror, suffers a near death experience. After being healed, (s)he returns to his/her old Order and is sent on a mission to retrace the steps that led to his/her fall. At the end of his/her journey, (s)he makes a final choice between good and evil.
Put that up.
Nah. As written, it simply doesn't belong here. It's not that universally beloved properties can't be Worse Than They Sound — it's that it's very difficult to make something that's already very good sound better than it is. If anything, this entry belongs on the Better Than It Sounds page, because in his effort to excise all references to Star Wars the author of this summary fails to mention that you've got a lightsaber, a spaceship, and a sarcastic murderous robot buddy, all of which are awesome.
Just because it's difficult does not mean it doesn't belong here. It just means it would take more imaginative writing.
Well said. More imaginative writing is precisely what this entry needs. Who's up for the task?
Well the easiest way is to look at how good a work is, and then how good it isn't, and then make it seem like the latter.
I haven't played the game, so I can't do it.
Seems to me like the anime/manga section has a lot of really good titles which don't really belong (Death Note, Excel Saga ect), while the movie section makes a lot more sense.
"has a lot of really good titles"
That is not a reason to not include something. "several magnitudes better" means anything can be put here. If you don't think those examples are sufficiently better, that is a reason to take them off.
The Toy Story description is more like something that would apply to Better Than It Sounds. Please remove it.
You can do that. Just note it in the edit reason.
Okay. So I acted on this, gave a reason for it (agreeing with dxman above plus some), and you promptly undid the removal. You also suggested in your reason for doing so that I don't 'get' what the page is about. I'll address that comment fist, as it is rather pivotal to the rest.
My understanding of this page is that it is for making works seem better than they are; for presenting them in an extra glow-y sort of light that far surpasses what they actually offer by creatively selecting and spinning various themes, topics, happening, etc. from them into a promotional-like blurb (and not for making them sound worse than they are). If that understanding is incorrect, then please, by all means, and with my appreciation, do correct it. If it is not, however, then I'll note that 'promoting' Toy Story as: "An exploration of male jealousy and atheism," seems much more like a thinly veiled dig than a sparkling summary, and, therefore, whatever else might be said, that point should stand.
As for my ancillary objection to specifically calling the movie an 'exploration of atheism' (which you in turn seem to have objected to yourself), I note that I simply found the declaration to be rather random (and, again, whatever way that part might have been intended for interpretation, it didn't seem to have a particularly positive cast to it, either). You are right that I simply could have changed the entry to something better, but I really didn't have anything in mind to call upon that might have served. I give my apologies for the lack of inspiration, but note that perhaps your remark, and the manner in which you gave it, were a touch uncalled for.
Finally, for the sake of thoroughness, I'll acknowledge that the extra little bit I included with my preceding Xenosaga entry falls victim to something of the same argument of not being entirely positive in its casting, and thus may have (along with some unfortunate word overlap with my following edit note) made my additive and subtractive troping seem both entangled and a bit questionable. I state first that I was, in the end, just trying to have a bit of tongue-and-cheek fun with, and poke a bit of fun at, familiar media, as I imaging most tropers here are. I nevertheless admit that the inclusion was somewhat out of place. I waffled a little, in fact, over whether or not I should add it in, but it tied directly with the (as far as I can tell) perfectly valid entry on the game that I had made, so I eventually decided I would. As noted, though, I was aware of the inconsistency, which is a large part of the reason why I added the inclusion as hidden text, so that it wouldn't overtly intrude. (It also broadly pertains to end events of the game, so better, I thought, to be safe.) My point is that I wasn't trying to be either trollish or heedless.
Anyway, with all of that said, undo my actions or not as you see fit. I only ask that you are clear and internally consistent in doing so, and that my own activities are given the benefit of not being unduly disparaged or misunderstood.
P.S. E-gads! This rather got longer than I intended.
Well I fixed the atheism thing by making it something more fitting this page.
And wow, I completely forgot I wrote that in this discussion. Just a little red faced here.
Really Death Note? Half the anime exaples are No where near So Bad, It's Good or So Bad Its Horrible. But Death Note's summary is an accurate summary.
I fixed the example to fit this page.
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