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I'm gonna repeat what I said in the thread: The purpose of that tool is to tell you whether a video is dangerously flashy. Given this, you should believe the tool when it says a video is dangerously flashy.
The thing about photosensitive epilepsy is that most people don't have it. According to my first search result for "what percentage of people have photosensitive epilepsy"
, it's about 3 in 10,000.
If you're not one of those 3, a dangerously flashy video might not feel dangerously flashy to you. Because it's not. To you. Use the tool. Believe the tool. If you have reason to doubt the tool, use a different tool.
Edited by wingedcatgirl Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
https://youtu.be/Oa2TCaE4MGk?t=104 to 2:17 gave several failures on PEAT despite not being quite flashy, so I have doubts. There aren't much free alternatives to flashing lights testing software.
Several PEAT tests later...
So according to PEAT, these will give seizures to some.
At this point, I think we need input from someone who actually has photosensitive epilepsy, rather than a pair of randos on the internet arguing about how they intuitively think it "should" work with no experience in the matter.
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According to what I've read, photosensitive epilepsy is a really complex disorder and can vary among people (even a single flash of bright light can send a photosensitive epileptic to a seizure). Yeah, I agree we should get a photosensitive epileptic on the case because we have no medical experience.
Edited by PrincessPandaTrope Content Warning: My posts may involve my actions dealing with R-rated or Not Safe For Work content. Same for my edit history.
A thought. Why not just go without a video? It's not like this is something that could just offend someone's fee-fees — this might possibly harm someone. I think it's wisest to assume the safe side of things in circumstances like this. I wouldn't want to have it on my conscience that I might possibly have organically caused an epileptic fit in someone because of something I posted. It's like spraying a public hallway with heavy fragrance, which may well trigger an allergic reaction in someone.
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While I don't have photo-sensitive epilepsy, strobing can trigger my ticcing. I stopped OP video within 30 seconds because I went from 0 tics before watching to ticcing multiple times.
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@Immi Thrax: The first or second video?
According to others' responses, we might as well put warnings on anything that's flashy (not just Epileptic Flashing Lights) because we don't want to send anyone to the hospital. Like video games. Also, I was also talking about video links, not just video examples.
Edited by PrincessPandaTrope Content Warning: My posts may involve my actions dealing with R-rated or Not Safe For Work content. Same for my edit history.
If it's not so flashy as to trigger even people without photosensitivity, I say just put a note at the top of the video description that there are flashing lights in the video so those who have flashing lights as a trigger can be aware.
Edited by mightymewtron I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
The very first one. I didn't look at the others.
While you may not intend it, it comes off a bit like you're minimizing the problem with "very tiny percent" and "0.000000000000000000000000000001%". Warnings are very appreciated so people can be informed and not watch them. (I hate how videos autoplay when I scroll down, but that's another problem.) If something is failing tests, well— play it safe, err on the side of caution, and don't use it.
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Yeah, I realized I could come off as insensitive. The latter was meant to self-deprecate my paranoia.
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Gotcha— thanks for clarifying your intent.
I don't think there's an easy answer to "how flashy can it be" since that varies— what particular kind, frequency, whether it's at the level of hospitalized or just some adverse effects for awhile... Different conditions involve sensitivity to that without being as severe as photosensitive epilepsy. So it's very cool that there are tools to try to detect the stuff!
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I watched her videos again and I found them to be flashy enough for a PSE concern. Added warnings to examples linking her videos.
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Do you think people will read them, or that the warning will change anything? I'm not really trying to be rude- the warning are a wonderful idea in theory, but think about it for a second. We already made Epileptic Flashing Lights video-example banned and the title of that one tells you right away what to expect; same with Jump Scare.
Either people are going to click on it regardless of any warning we can possibly give, or the site just doesn't consider a warning to be enough, but either way, it's a good effort that I'm just not sure will actually change anything. See, problem is, you can't see the video description until after you click the video.
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^ I wasn't aware of that because I never click the videos!
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Well, okay, you see the description if it's the featured/only video on the page, but for all the others you have to click. On the actual Recent Videos page, you don't see them at all until clicking.
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I was talking about adding links to videos, not video examples in particular.
In my opinion, scenes from anime and video games and like with some flash wouldn't need a warning, because of how mild and ubiquitous they are compared to Epileptic Flashing Lights. Videos that contain constant strobe-like flashing, close to Epileptic Flashing Lights, do need a warning.
Edited by PrincessPandaTrope Content Warning: My posts may involve my actions dealing with R-rated or Not Safe For Work content. Same for my edit history.
I believe any flash should get a warning because you don't know what is and isn't "mild" to someone. People can have days where they're more or less sensitive to it, too, so it's very helpful to provide that warning so people can control their exposure.
ETA: However, we might be running afoul of something I know Fighteer has brought up— limits of liability, not medical professionals, etc... so it might be best to just... not link or upload that content, unless it's on a page specifically about a trope related to all the flashy stuff? This might need further discussion elsewhere.
Edited by ImmiThrax Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.
She wants to know if a video can be uploaded without it being a danger to a photosensiti ve/epileptic person. In other words, I'm confused.
Edited by ATricksterArtist (Don't) take me home.
Right. They tried to upload a video but then hours later asked if it was actually okay. That lead to this.
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First, I'm a she.
Second, everyone to the topic! This thread here is closed.
Ack, sorry for misgendering...I fixed it.
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This prompted after I asked if this video
could too flashy (yes it is quite flashy, not recommended for the photosensitive epileptic) and people thought I intentionally uploaded a video with near-Epileptic Flashing Lights and asked why I was a fool, before I deleted the video off the site because I used the whole video sans intro and outro. It was only after I tested the video (hours after uploading on the site) on Photosensitivity Epilepsy Analysis Tool
, a free alternative to the Harding Test, and the graph crossed the failure line several times due to the usage of fast-paced transitions and flicker effects. Definitely not Porygon-level. I never had any sort of health problem when viewing the video.
Definitely strobe lights, such as two contrasting colors flickering quickly, need a seizure warning, like another of SallyRose975's fanvids
(WARNING: FLASHING LIGHTS AND MAYBE A WARNING FOR SOME CENSORED NUDITY). But what about sights of bright lights appearing and disappearing on the screen suddenly, like gunfire and lightning, and fast-paced action/transitions that would fit in something like an anime? The whole experience has made me Paranoid that something bright flashing on the screen would make 0.000000000000000000000000000001% of the population go into a seizure. Do the links to SallyRose975's videos on Fanvid and SugarWiki.Visual Effects Of Awesome need warnings (I've never seen anyone complain about the flashy style)?
(FYI link on making flashing lights seizure-friendly, thought you might be interested)
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