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Why didn't you just bump the other thread...?

Also, wouldn't calling it The Arthurian Legend be more accurate and understandable?

Most people would know of it as Arthurian Legend. We don't talk about the other matters so much, so Matter of Britain would woosh over most people's heads.

I agree with ^ & ^^. I have been interested in Arthurian Legends for around 30 years (and actually live in Britain) but have never heard the term Matter of Britain until I saw this thread.

This better be an (early) April Fool's joke. I have never heard that name either. Let's not make British names more unclear, like with HM The Queen (though that one's slightly clearer).

I've never heard of "The Matter of Britain" either

The Matter of Britain is the literary term for Great Britain's mythological canon, especially as concerns King Arthur, as distinct from the Matter of France (legends of Charlemagne) and the Matter of Rome (classical mythology).

That said, better to go with a title more commonly known and used among the troper base.

I'd rather the Arthurian myths on a different page from "stories of Brutus of Troy, Coel Hen, Leir of Britain (King Lear), and Gogmagog", but I would encourage someone to create the Matter Of Britain so that we have a central page for those myths. King Arthur would be a sub-work of that page.

^ Good point.

I had heard it called "Matter of Britain" before, but it's indeed obscure and inaccurate if it covers more than the story of King Arthur.

I am all for renaming King Arthur to Arthurian Legends (plural, 'cause there is more than one).

Also, for consistency's sake, moving The Lady Of The Lake and Arthur Pendragon to the Myth/ namespace (same a Merlin).

^^ Makes sense to me.

^^ "Legend" can be used as a mass noun, like "water". Arthurian Legend is not incorrect.

Yeah it's "The Arthurian Legend" so "Arthurian Legends" isn't correct. TBH this plural vs. singular feud is as annoying as the lumper vs. splitter feud.

^ I agree on both accounts.

I see. I'd say yes on renaming the article "Arthurian Legend" to tell it apart from the article for King Arthur himself.

^ Off topic, but I only just realized your username starts with an uppercase i, and not a lowercase L.

I could go either way on Arthurian Legend vs. Arthurian Legends, but I agree that those are better than Matter Of Britain.

Edit: Missed the part about "legend" being a mass noun mentioned above. I now prefer "Legend" with no S.

Arthurian Legend already exists as a redirect, meaning it also would be capturing a few wicks alongside, so I'm not against it.

Additional advantage: it would help disambiguate with the King Arthur movie, avoiding subpages collision. Honestly, should have been done ages ago.

Before starting dewicking, I would suggest first making King Arthur a redirect to Arthur Pendragon instead of the Legend page. (There's a LOT of wicks to correct, that would allow leaving a few as such when they're about the character and not the overall Legend.)

The initial move for Myth.Arthurian Legend has been done, but I'm thinking Myth/KingArthur should be redirect to Arthur Pendragon, which was just a Characters/ subpage. So, Myth/ArthurPendragon with Myth/KingArthur as the redirect, leaving the subpages currently attached to KingArthur only used for the film.

^ That was the content of my suggestion too. I had started moved Lady of the Lake, and then I saw the request on the locked page thread, and decided to wait and see what was going to be done.

Myth/KingArthur redirecting to Myth/ArthurPendragon will work fine and reduce the number of wicks needed to be changed. (All the Main/KingArthur wicks need still to be correcter anyway.

PS: Characters.King Arthur hasn't been moved along with rest.

I hadn't noticed there was a Film/ collision. Yeah, so:

• Characters.Arthur Pendragon and Myth.King Arthur redirect to Myth.Arthur Pendragon, for the character.
• Myth.Arthurian Legend for the main myth page.
• Change Characters.Lady Of The Lake, which currently redirects to Characters.The Witcher. Note that the one wick to Characters.Lady Of The Lake refers to the Arthurian character, not the one from The Witcher series (who can be found at The Witcher - Other Characters).
  • Characters.Lady Of The Lake redirect to Myth.The Lady Of The Lake.
  • Pages for the book should probably be under Lady of the Lake (Sapkowski).
• Characters.Nimue should redirect to Myth.The Lady Of The Lake to catch the inbounds.
• Characters.King Arthur only refers to the mythology, so it should be moved to Characters.Arthurian Legend.

Alright, I think we're sorted. I just made Myth.Nimue a redirect, instead of Characters, since any inbounds associated with "Nimue" will be auto-disambiged.

Err, there's something really weird:

Characters/TheLadyOfTheLake is definitely indicated as cut in the recent cut list... but it still appears as a redirect on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Myth/TheLadyOfTheLake

Also, Characters/KingArthur doesn't exist any more, but is causing a number of ghost wicks.

Those are both hazards of moving pages with the mod tool, unfortunately. I'd re-create Characters/TheLadyOfTheLake and re-submit it to the list, and the ghost wicks will have to have the same treatment (with the Main/ articles gone through the Locked pages thread).

^ submitted