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8th Jun, 2019 08:47:33 PM

It's incorrect to say that YMMV cannot be linked to. I'm not sure why mismithica made that claim.

8th Jun, 2019 09:16:04 PM

I believe linking of YMMV tropes on non-ymmv page is not allowed. Unless its in universe. But i don't know if description can be an exception.

Edited by WhirlRX
8th Jun, 2019 09:34:35 PM

What Goes Where on the Wiki is ambiguous on the subject. YMMV can't be linked on "main pages", but I'm not clear if that means just main work pages or includes trope pages. Trope pages don't get the little inline gas-station icon, after all. (It definitely doesn't mean "pages in the Main/ namespace", because that would imply that YMMV could be linked on main work pages, and we're all fairly sure that's wrong.)

8th Jun, 2019 10:18:30 PM

In my understanding of policy, YMMV tropes only appear in examples of other YMMV tropes, yet are allowed in the description of non-YMMV tropes and of non-YMMV indexes because they may be related. For example; Draco in Leather Pants on Likable Villain.

9th Jun, 2019 12:57:40 AM

Well, the problem here is that you were linking to the page YMMV. That's indeed wrong; that page is merely a disambiguation.

9th Jun, 2019 01:17:01 AM

That actually seems a little confusing, since YMMV has a pretty straightforward definition of the term right at the top, while YMMV.Home Page doesn't.

But putting that aside for now, would [[YMMV/HomePage YMMV]] or YMMV without the link formatting have been allowed, or would those still be something to be avoided?

Edited by Unsung
9th Jun, 2019 04:47:29 AM

One of those would have been preferable, yes. As Septimus says, linking to the page YMMV directly is never correct.

And RallyBot2, if you read the page YMMV, you'll see why I "made that claim". There was a wick purge of that page many years ago and it's still enforced today. To quote the page directly:

""Your Mileage May Vary", "YMMV", "Your Mileage Might Vary" - or any other form of calling something subjective is bad wiki writing. Opinions, perspectives, disagreements or doubts don't belong in examples or descriptions. Keep them off and Repair, Don't Respond. Articles are neither arguable nor debatable.

You may be looking for these pages:

Please change any links fitting to these pages to point to these pages."

9th Jun, 2019 08:51:52 AM

Okay then. It might have been helpful to put it that way, "{{YMMV}} is a disambiguation page, please use YMMV/HomePage", rather than "YMMV is not a trope. Don't link to it for any reason."

To the mods: is there a reason that YMMV isn't just a redirect to YMMV.Home Page, with the information on the page itself? Because the reason to link it seems to be for the definition, which the home page doesn't have at the top, making it seem more like an index. And Love It or Hate It is relevant, but it's not the same thing as YMMV, so the disambiguation seems like an extra step? Or are the two more commonly confused than it seems?

Edited by Unsung
10th Jun, 2019 12:52:05 AM

The reason why YMMV is not a redirect is because it is/was also used as Love It or Hate It - Your Mileage May Vary was the older name of Love It or Hate It.

10th Jun, 2019 01:07:05 AM

I think Your Mileage May Vary's Permanent Red Link Club entry is relevant for why Love It or Hate It is mentioned on Main.YMMV, why Your Mileage May Vary was cut entirely instead of being kept as a redirect to Love It or Hate It, and why linking to Main.YMMV is restricted:

Edited by GastonRabbit
10th Jun, 2019 07:05:45 AM

Fair enough, then. Thanks for explaining.

11th Jun, 2019 01:31:40 AM

As I understand it, they misinterpreted that policy. It's in place to prevent unnecessary subjectivity, which should be kept to YMMV subpages as much as possible. So when describing a character on an objective trope page (let's say The Lancer), it's bad form to pothole their name to The Scrappy, for instance, or potholing a plotline you didn't like to They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot (same with positive appraisals such as Moment of Awesome, Tear Jerker, etc.). Mentioning a YMMV trope on the description page of another trope is completely fine.

Edited by Morgenthaler
11th Jun, 2019 06:27:46 AM

"They" meaning me? Because that's not what I was claiming at all; linking to the page YMMV directly is expressly forbidden under any circumstances, and has been for years.

11th Jun, 2019 08:15:48 AM

You didn't say linking to {{YMMV}} isn't allowed because it's a disambiguation page, though, you just said linking to YMMV is never allowed. If you changed up a little wording a little the next time, it would be clearer.

11th Jun, 2019 09:56:28 AM

^^ Well, that's cleared up then.


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