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The Boruto part was true at the beginning, but after the Momoshiki invasion arc he underwent character development and this is not true anymore.
Can I get more feedback on these entries?
I know Naruto but I'm pretty lax with YMMV stuff so these all sound valid to me, but they are all also quite long and could get straight to the points.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Hanzo should be cut.
The Sasuke entry I think should be removed, a lot of people forget Sasuke is not supposed to be rooted for, since he is portrayed as being in the wrong in the story, with Naruto making it his goal to bring him back to the light. Same with Madara.
The Sakura entry I agree has a lot of complaining especially in that there's a lot of bad faith and misunderstanding in what Kishimoto said regarding her "being a terrible woman if she gave up on Sasuke", so if it was up to me I'd reword it as:
- Sakura Haruno's undying love for Sasuke through the series is portrayed as a selfless and enduring One True Love, however for many readers this came across as her being a clingy Love Martyr, who constantly pinned for a boy who showed no interest in her and sometimes was outright hostile to for the great majority of the story.
Can I get feedback on the Tobi and Harusame entries? Thanks.
From my part, I don't see an issue with those entries, they can be kept.
Edited by matruz
Am I good to remove the Sasuke, Hanzo and Madara entries while revising Sakura's entry and keeping the Tobi and Harusame entries? Thanks. I could use a bit of help revising Boruto's entry though.
The thing about the Boruto entry is that a lot of the antipathy is because of Fourth Wall Myopia, in that yes the audience knows Naruto's past and how Boruto has it much better than his father at his age, but Boruto doesn't and naturally he resents his father for neglecting his family. I would reword it as:
- Due to Fourth Wall Myopia Boruto Uzumaki, Naruto and Hinata's son, is perceived by some viewers as a whiny brat, due to how he complains about his father neglecting his family and not knowing how much better he has it than him at his age.
Boruto should be split into its own first-level (there's a more complicated alternative, but I don't want to cause a digression). To avoid Pronoun Confusion, you could either turn "him" to "Naruto" or rewrite it like this:
- Boruto Uzumaki quickly loses audience sympathy in the beginning because most fans are aware of Naruto's childhood. Boruto's antics and complaints about his father's bad parenting skills invite comparisons to his father's childhood, who definitely had a more difficult experience at the same age.
- Sasuke: I say it should be cleaned but it should stay. I mean, he did try to kill his friends more than once and he did become a terrorist, being exiled is too little of a punishment in my opinion. You could say that he suffers of "too little; too late" syndrome.
- Boruto: I would agree to cut it if he didn't have ways (like in school, in a library or Hinata) to know how shitty of a life his father had. His excuse that he doesn't know doesn't work here.
One of the requirements for this trope is that it be a wide accepted disagreement between the audience and the author. Is that actually the case with these entries? Cause they don't mention whether or not these are actually popular opinions within the work's audience.
^^He is still a kid, there's a difference between knowing that something happened and actually seen it, he does know about the Fourth Ninja War but stuff like that isn't likely to be shown in libraries or told to him by his mother. And also during the Time Travel arc it was shown that he didn't know anything about Naruto's childhood issues for being a jinchuuriki and was surprised by it.
Add to that, the author has a penchant for Generation Xerox. The fact that they act the same way is the author conveying that he expects us to sympathize the same way. I suppose my suggestion doesn't clarify that they acted the same way at the start of their respective series.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
And regarding Sasuke, what megagutsfan says sounds more like an instance of Easily Forgiven, for which he already has an entry on it.
Copying this from the Unintentionally Unsympathetic cleanup thread to give more people a chance to look at this.