Merge Yangire and Yandere

Yandere: Sweet and caring girl turns murderous.

Yangire: Sweet and caring girl turns murderous.

I rest my case.

edit: An alternative would be to merge Yangire and Killer Rabbit, as both are about cute, harmless looking things (or people) that turn out to be violent monsters.

edit again: Ax-Crazy is another good one for a merge.

edit oncemore: We have a Crowner and an Alternative names crowner.

edited 2nd Aug '09 9:26:29 PM by English Ivy

Agreed, merge.

Merge.

The only difference between the two archetypes is that the yangire doesn't have to be romantically attached to any particular thing.

edited 22nd Jul '09 1:47:16 AM by Komodin

I do have to say, reading through the examples on Yangire, they are often pretty bad; I was again and again going 'Surely that one's some other trope?' Too many of them are cases of 'character cracks through trauma', which should NOT be this trope.

Heck, the apparent "ur-example", Nanoha in Striker A's, has spoiler text to show that it's not actually an example!

In general, it seems that all the trope means, once one strips out the misuses, is "cute sociopath".

edited 22nd Jul '09 3:22:10 AM by Morven

Hmm... Maybe just make Yandere (a sweet girl turns psycho because of her love) a subtrope of Yangire (a sweet girl turns psycho)? Yandere seems specific enough to deserve a trope, not to mention that it's already used in anime fandoms as a specific trope.

NINJA: 2Morven: It's the problem with examples, not the tropes themselves. The tropes are clearly distinct (see above). Weeding out bad examples would be good, though.

edited 22nd Jul '09 3:27:50 AM by Sofos

I just have a feeling that "cute sociopath" describes some trope we already have. Sort of a "I'm sure I read this one somewhere" kind of thing. Maybe we don't, though? Possibly it's an intersection of several different tropes but not completely covered by any of them.

Cute Sociopath sounds like a good rename for Yangire to me, by the way.

Cute Sociopath and make it a supertrope to Yandere

Do not merge into Yandere. Yandere are technically a subtrope, but most Yandere aren't treated the same way as Yangire, either by the story or the fans.

I don't have anything against renaming and/or cleaning this page up, but really don't think this should be merged.

Seconding Morven.

For similar tropes, we've got Grotesque Cute and Girl with Psycho Weapon... there's also Bitch in Sheep's Clothing, which seems to be less insane.

This boils down to whether we want to lump or split... if the former, we should give detailed information on the two variants of the trope.

I don't think there's enough distinction between Yangire and Yandere to support two tropes. Merge under Yandere, with a sentence at the bottom of the description about the Yangire variant.

If the Yangire variant is the supertrope, shouldn't we use the description from Yangire with a paragraph about the Yandere variant?

But Yandere is much more common.

@ccoa: If there was enough meaningful distinction between the two, yes, Yangire would be the supertrope. Since they're so similar, they can be safely lumped into one, with Yandere as the title since it's more common.

Yandere is a pre-existing term, we can't just change the meaning of it.

I say if the examples don't match up then we should get rid of Yangire. Yangire is a subtrope of Stepford Smiler, whereas one could argue that the Yandere isn't exactly a Stepford Smiler.

Merge. It'd be worthwhile to mention yangire on the yandere page, but the distinction is far too subtle to be useful for our purposes.

Yangire is basically Killer Rabbit for humans! If you're going to merge it into anything it should be that.

How is it "subtle"? A Yangire is insane in general, a Yandere is insane about one person.

This trope is basically just Stepford Smiler- Crazy Variant. Merge into that one.

edited 22nd Jul '09 2:40:21 PM by Wicked223

How is it "subtle"? A Yangire is insane in general, a Yandere is insane about one person.

I might consider believing that if you could show me a character described as yandere that doesn't have serious mental issues affecting more than the object of their affections.

The two are definitely both nuts. Not quite the same type of nuts. And I don't think we need to just consider Yandere when we consider merges or similarities; just because they're both "anime tropes", it still strikes me that they're more general than that.

The little girl from The Bad Seed is a perfectly lovely, charming little psychopath who kills three people before she's eight years old (and old woman for a locket, a classmate for a penmanship medal she thinks she should have won, and the building janitor because he found he shoes she tried to burn.) I'd say she's Yangire without being Yandere.

Peyton (the nanny) in The Hand That Rocks The Cradle is also a psychopath who is outwardly very pleasant and cheerful and nice. There's no love interest at all — she simply wants revenge on the people she holds responsible for her husband's suicide and her miscarriage. Yangire, but not Yandere.

Evelyn in ''Play Misty For Me" shows no signs of being crazy — except her obsession with Dave. Yandere, but not Yangire.

Now I suppose that you could make a case that someone who goes unhinged over a love interest must be unhinged in general, but there are works where it's only in relation to the love interest that the crazy comes out.

edited 22nd Jul '09 4:13:28 PM by Madrugada

I suspect that with a less anime name, we'd find lots of examples of this in Western media.

Still liking Cute Sociopath for this one.

I don't think it generally should be used for someone who gets the Break the Cutie treatment in-story and goes nuts for revenge or whatever. That's a different trope.