Change the main trope name?: Killer Rabbit

Not the same. This trope is clearly about non-human characters. Over and over the defintion says this. 'monster' 'animal' 'criter' etc. Such language does not exist in Badass Adorable. In fact, that page specifically says it does not involve animals.

Hmm, I checked the oldest version on Wayback Machine, and the ambiguity has been there for years. (Since Oct. '07.) Maybe the problem is really that we're missing some related tropes. This could well be a broad(ish) supertrope. The key phrase seems to be "any monster that is far more dangerous than it looks."

That would make Badass Adorable a subtrope, since not looking dangerous is not the same as being adorable.

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I think Badass Adorable is a supertrope to stuff like Little Miss Badass isn't it?

Fight smart, not fair.

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to update that I just found yet another misuse of Killer Rabbit, this time on the Angel Moxie page. It originally contained this line:

I had to delete that line and add:

Now, yes, Cottontail is described as "cute", though I'm not so sure you'd agree with the character who spoke that term when you see Cottontail's picture.

Once again, I stand by my opinion that the name of this trope should not reference a particular animal. This particular reference only makes sense to the layperson after the layperson has seen Monty Python And The Holy Grail. (Remember that Jimmy Carter's case of the killer rabbit actually involves a Hair-Raising Hare.)

edited 4th Nov '11 2:22:44 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

Two things First: Momo from Breath of Fire...Rabbit or person? ;D

Second, what the dicks is going on with the real life section cluttered with animals that don't count. Bison, hippos, and goats? What's tiny and cute about THAT? I clipped them for now but if anyone feels they should stay go right ahead and revert those.

I think the trope itself works quite well though, there's more than enough coverage. The internet learns of it through Bun-Bun and television through Vorpals and more than enough fantasy works take a page from the Vorpals that one should have a reference there as well. And for the hillfolk out there what with no teevees and lernans and bookreadans there's the Carter incident.

Momo from BOF is a Kemonomimi, Not An Example of Killer Rabbit.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

This. It has many of the same problems character named tropes have, and for the same reasons; it's not clear what about killer rabbits the trope is referring to. The combination of being cute with being vicious? The combination of being small with being threatening? It's partly because of that bad title that it's hard to tell what exactly the trope is about, or what exactly the distinction from Badass Adorable is. If we're to keep this trope, it really ought to be renamed, though quite frankly, it'd take a pretty strong distinction to convince me they should be separate.

edited 20th Dec '11 4:57:42 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

Good to know that you agree with my opinion on this :)

I think the idea is that Badass Adorable implies a certain amount of sympathy and/or empathy for the character, while this trope is supposed to emphasize "looks can be deceiving".

Cute But Deadly Critter?

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Hare Of Doom or Rabbit Of Doom? Lethal Lepus?

I liked it better when Questionable Casting was called WTH Casting Agency

I prefer the simple Cute But Deadly, which is currently a redirect to Killer Rabbit anyway.

Uh, if you want to actually talk about scary rabbits, you want Hair-Raising Hare. Incidentally, your post just demonstrates the confusion that the name "killer rabbit" causes.

edited 20th Dec '11 8:41:09 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

I agree with GMH. Even if the Badass Adorable isn't necessarily a sympathetic character, it doesn't carry the surprise factor of having the utterly adorable person turn out to be monstrous. I think we don't really have that covered properly if that does not fall under Killer Rabbit.

Cute But Deadly works for me.

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Wait. Does this require The Reveal that it's dangerous?

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Pretty sure it's common, but not required. I imagine that type of The Reveal is a subtrope in and of itself.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

Well, first things first, we need certain, established definitions of what Killer Rabbit and Badass Adorable each mean, and what exactly the distinctions are, before we can decide whether or not to merge them, or if not which to rename and what to rename to. (I think it's pretty obvious that if we're keeping them separate, Killer Rabbit needs to be renamed whether Badass Adorable needs to or not.)

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

I don't think Badass Adorable is actually about the character being badass in the way I view the term, which is more than just 'pretty good at fighting'. The way I view Badass takes into account things such as confidence, style, competence and a handful of other attributes, none of which necessarily apply to those agreed to be Badass Adorable. It's more like 'destructive or powerful person is in a surprisingly cute form.' This may indicate that it too should be renamed, but I doubt we will get much support for that. However, I feel that since the title is based off of another trope that it is not actually a subtrope of, it is deserving of that rename.

Killer Rabbit is currently defined as a surprisingly dangerous small, harmless looking animal, correct? And I think malice is implied.

What we seem to be lacking is a combination of the two: A cute little moppet of a character who happens to be rather evil, which is normally treated with something of The Reveal.

Going by that definition, it's kinda odd to note that the character Shugari from Angel Moxie would actually be the Killer Rabbit while her summoned monster, a gigantic rabbit, is actually a Hair-Raising Hare.

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edited 28th Dec '11 8:35:01 AM by HiddenFacedMatt

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

Well, yes, but the problem there is that the trope article's definition, the definition people use, the dictionary definition there (someone talented or someone who causes trouble?) and the definition generally accepted when people slow down to actually talk about it are all different, thus I used the definition that most people actually agree with, which is more than 'Some guy that beats people up!' So pardon me for specifying what I meant when referring to an incredibly overused trope?

Are we going to do anything about this?

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

I think in order to do so, we'll have to come to some clear, definitive answer; whether through consensus or otherwise; as to the exact meanings of and distinction between pairs of similar tropes like:

• Badass Adorable vs. Cute Bruiser
• Badass Adorable vs. Killer Rabbit
• Cute Is Evil vs. Killer Rabbit
• Face of an Angel, Mind of a Demon vs. Killer Rabbit
• Etc...

edited 22nd Feb '12 6:44:29 AM by HiddenFacedMatt

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

• Badass Adorable: A character that looks cute but can kick ass despite this. Does not need to look harmless, just cute. Fighting style does not matter, nor does alignment.
• Cute Bruiser: A small, cute character that uses a bruiser fighting style that is normally used by much larger manlier characters. Does not need to be badass or evil.
• Killer Rabbit: Something that's harmless looking turns out to be deadly.
• Cute Is Evil: Exactly What It Says on the Tin. Said cute thing need not be dangerous, badass, or deadly. It's just about alignment.
• Face of an Angel, Mind of a Demon: Attractive character is evil on the inside. Need not be cute. Is more often Beautiful or Handsom.

They're largely unrelated as tropes and rarely do any of them overlap.

edited 22nd Feb '12 6:59:46 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Most of these clear things up, but that still leaves Killer Rabbit seeming a bit vague (as it lumps different kinds of reasons for seeming harmless and turning out to be deadly into the same category) and it puts a bit of a question mark on Face of an Angel, Mind of a Demon's distinction from Evil Is Sexy.

In any case, whatever we come up with, it may be an idea to emphasize the distinctions more clearly in the descriptions, and try to cut down on misuse.

edited 22nd Feb '12 11:42:12 AM by HiddenFacedMatt

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