During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Looking at the Skynet draft, wasn't the T-X sent to kill more people than just John and Kate? I distinctly remember the T-X doing a home invasion and gunning down a young boy because he was supposed to be one of John's lieutenants in the future.
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
Yeah, IIRC the T-X was sent to kill Kate, John and his lieutenants.
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
His main goal was to kill John and Sara Connor. Everyone else was simply casualty in his attempts to track down John and Sara.
Edited by VeryVileVillian on Jul 31st 2020 at 12:28:28 PM
Goku Black
Also guys I'm taking a break from the thread for a few days as I focus on my final assessment. I'll be back on Monday .
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Good luck.
I'll vote on Fanfic!Cinder later.
Good luck.
I'll give a tentative ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Cinder Fall.
Cinder.
to Black Wolf and H.P. Clancy.
Best of luck Mir, see you Monday.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Good luck Mir.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
to Cinder. Good luck mir
I thought sharks were my friends.
Sure to Cinder.
RIP KissAnime.
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
So I reverted the Godzilla entry and put a link to the thread in the edit reason. I may also send them a message personally if they don't show up later.
I think it's been sufficiently long since the last RWBY EP that this shouldn't be annoying.
Tentative to Cinder, and I think we should seriously consider finding some means of preserving fan work and web original material with keepers. We had a near miss with that fan script version of Blofeld, since the "Skyfall 1969" script was inaccessible for some time.
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
Perhaps we should promote archive websites more?
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
2 of the Deus Ex Machina episodes I can't find anywhere (granted the two the CM of that series appears in remain) and I went snooping to find The Lion King Adventures, and following a link to an archive on Reddit (which the archive sucked) I found PDF versions of those chapters (spinoffs are gone though).
Edited by nwotyzal on Jul 31st 2020 at 3:09:45 AM
Showtime!
The front page of the WayBack Machine has a "save page now" button
Of course John was planned as a target, but yeah though. Being off the grid and all, he couldn’t be located, so Kate and his lieutenants were targeted instead.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 31st 2020 at 3:15:14 AM
And archive today is also a thing.
After reading the EP, sure to Cinder.
EDIT: Switching to a no with new information.
Edited by falcontalons on Jul 31st 2020 at 4:01:25 AM
Current mood: sick of your shit
Abstain on Cinder.
Speaking of RWBY (insert collective groan from the thread here), I finished RWBY: Before the Dawn yesterday (the sequel to RWBY: After the Fall and a canon part of the RWBY franchise). Feel free to PM me to talk about it; official discussions will be on August fourth. Alternatively, if no one here cares about spoilers, I can also do it before that.
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Changing to ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
to Cinder.
Edited by SumDumNerd on Jul 31st 2020 at 3:56:44 AM
Read "Ghost Stories of Remnant" here.
Aaand I'm going to go against the flow and Cinder. I read the story, (It didn't take very long, it's only about a 30 minute read) and there were just a few things that let me decide she didn't count.
The first part is that after Ruby's death, she has Emerald give her a tattoo, in the location of where her heart is located. The tattoo is that of a Rose.
As for her feeling nothing after Rubys death, it doesn't seem like she never cared about the fact she killed her, more that her emotions about it just shut down in response to it. And even then it didn't last. After she gets back into the office and before she gets the Rose tattoo, she breaks everything in her office in a fit of rage, sparing only a vase of Roses... before breaking that too when she sees that the Rose is dead, a reminder of what she had done. It's also shown she can't seem to get any satisfaction out any other criminal activities, claiming it was like there was a void in her heart that nothing can seem to fill.
Finally there is a picture of a Rose that Cinder made when Ruby moved into her neighbourhood. Before she tried to run away, Cinder had made a pile of what to keep and what to get rid of and burn. She came dangerously close to putting it in the get-rid-of pile claiming she felt no guilt about it about what she done and that she had to do it...
But when it was time to leave she couldn't bring herself to get rid of it. She kept the photo, and when she was completely surrounded by Weise, Blake and Yang, she pulled out the photo, looked at it and lamented that she was a sweet girl.
Despite the fact that she is the one who killed Ruby, and never accepts her fault in it, there is just too much other stuff that disqualifies her for me.
Edited by crankers on Apr 9th 2021 at 4:27:05 AM
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
I did that with a couple Web Original keepers I found but perhaps we should start putting between parentheses archived links to the fanfics and web originals.
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
And with that she sounds like a non-keeper.
Not sold. Sounds like a case of a character trying to bury their guilt but it slipping through from time to time.
Edited by 43110 on Jul 31st 2020 at 7:02:02 AM
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
@crankers
The issue is that ultimately, Cinder moves on rather easily from Ruby's death. She talks about getting back on business, taunts Yang about Ruby's death (this isn't just refusing responsibility for Ruby's death) and plans and seems back to normal by the time she has to deal with all the gangs against her.
Heck, just before dying, amongst her last lines : "It should have been you. I should have killed you. Then she'd be all mine, mine forever."
Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Jul 31st 2020 at 1:06:24 PM
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Mir: It was more rhetorical.
I'm leaning yes to Cinder.
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