During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Lizzid people!
I'm saying that the other pages had more explanation as to why he was ultimately downvoted that Polar could read at his leisure. I didn't intend for it to come out condescending-sounding.
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Ashberry, btw.
Edited by AustinDR on Mar 15th 2019 at 1:39:22 AM
Ashberry
Wild Child
Ashberry.
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Sure to Ashberry.
@ACW @Beast CMIIW but wasn't Eigerman got downvoted due to Decker being a thing who outheinoused him? I remember Stellarvore E Ping him but got downvoted to oblivion.
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
IDK, but that might've been the film version.
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I stand corrected then.
Edited by ACW on Mar 15th 2019 at 6:46:29 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I don't remember the discussion, but I am referring to the film version.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Goku Black
Here the The original vote
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Interestingly, Decker was played by David Cronenberg. Any other people who have played a CM and directed another movie? John Huston also comes to mind.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Ashberry.
You know what? Concerning King Hyperion, he was already proposed almost exactly two years ago. From the looks of it, nearly everyone voted in favor of him. Should I copypaste the proposal again for voting or should I whip up a an entry for him?
No. We turned down that post because Polar hadn't actually read the comics, as I'd mentioned earlier.
Compared to him, I read the comics but it's been years since I've done so. I had to read the Wikia for a refresher and it's pretty accurate to what I remember actually reading. Should I do a readover again and then post my own proposal?
That would be appreciated, yes.
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
to Jackal and Ashberry.
So while I am working on entries I realized I had to cut one of my earleir proposals due to a detail I previously overlooked. When I just rewatched Dante The Great from V/H/S: Viral - the old woman who say Dante always calls her and is gonna be paying a visit ? Yeah it turns out she's his mother. They make a quick mention but it caught me by surprise when I looked at it again; how did I miss that the first two times ? So Dante's a cut.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Lizzid people!
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Dante
Yes to all the candidates I missed.
Interesting question, how much characterization does a SNES villain need to count? I ask this because there was a Spawn video game from the 90s, where Malebolgia manipulates an angel now known as The Mad One into stealing the souls of 13 innocent children in order to create a weapon that can destroy Malebolgia. Malebolgia did this so the Mad One would bring him these souls, Malebolgia planned to kill the Mad One, but Spawn beats him to it. Malebolgia takes the stolen children souls and uses it to create a giant demon called The New Breed and sends him to Earth to go on a rampage, to devour the innocent.
Now its a SNES game, not heavy on story and Malebolgia does not appear till the end, but he is pretty manipulative and every bad thing that happens is his fault in the story. This game is a bit heavy sometimes, they use the word Darklands instead of Hell to refer to Malebolgia's realm, but Spawn kills Billy Kincaid and takes his heart to open a portal to Hell and the story is pretty dark for a SNES era game.
Spawn: Armageddon is another Spawn game, but I am far less familiar with that one.
@Scraggle This will take a while I guess. I hope I see King Hyperion on the list very soon because that monster deserves to be there.
I can check it out if anyone wants.
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SNES!Malebolgia MAY be worth an effortpost, though it's tricky since it's an action game and not a plot-heavy game with someone like, say, Kefka. Though OTOH, it could be a case like the Entity, where he's manipulative enough to count.
I played Armageddon in college! Those were the early to mid 2000s, and from what VERY little I remember, nobody counts. I DO remember hacking up enemies and objects with the ax though 
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I DID find this video of cutscenes, if anyone wants to give it a quick watch.
Edited by ACW on Mar 15th 2019 at 2:46:17 PM
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Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Alright... I finished both two works in a row: Witch Hunter Robin and Stigmata: Sekiren no Saija.
Now I'm going to talk about the former regarding this: Sadly, I agree with Scraggle that the Big Bad , Takuma Zaizen, doesn't count at all but not because of the last redeeming quality but the redeeming quality in question? Were put in the middle of the story and that's when the assassins that was sent to kill Robin because she was revealed to be a witch, they used Zaizen's daughter as a bait and she was critically injured as a result... This causes Zaizen to go Berserk and kicks Amon repeatedly. That and Zaizen also visits the hospital to check on his daughter's well-being... Suggesting that he truly cares for his own daughter.
This is a shame because his plans is pretty heinous on his own and by the end of the series, he's revealed to be nothing but a Knight Templar. But alas, his care for his daughter is still there and it's pretty genuine so yeah... He doesn't qualify. But as a pennance however, there are other two one-shot villains who could almost qualify in my opinion although one of them I'm really unsure of. Shall I EP both of them?
Also, Stigmata... Well, it was revealed one of the subordinates of the Big Bad is the one who calls the shots a.k.a. the guy behind almost all the bad things happened. But the issue is... Do you think that being cast out by God could be considered a legitimate Freudian Excuse? That and after being cast out by God, he's disgusted by human beings who worship said god that cast him out and as a result, he ended up trying to bring the end of the humans by awaking his master so that he could prove that God is a truly selfish being who cares about himself. So yeah... Do you think this came across as legitimate excuse or not?
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Mar 16th 2019 at 3:03:46 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Why was he cast out?
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
@Demon Duck Of Doom It was never stated why actually. Probably because of being a rejected being known as Nephilim. I really need to re-read the manga
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Mar 16th 2019 at 3:25:03 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
It finished a few days ago. Polar has every right to weigh in
Edited by Lightysnake on Mar 15th 2019 at 4:26:42 AM