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I agree. It sets the heinous standards, but as for his moral agency we need some more informations. If not then I'll give it a

edited 7th Feb '18 1:45:22 PM by MovieFan2000

Is anyone familiar with transformers? There is an possible candidate I have in mind for an effortpost but there are a lot of issues with how heinous this character is and I was wondering if someone familiar with the franchise can pm me to discuss since I am not sure if this character is heinous enough baseline-wise(he actually dosen't need to compete with a lot of villains in the same franchise for reasons I will get to in the PM if anyone is willing to discuss this but the issue is baseline heinousness).

Abstain on SCP-809

edited 7th Feb '18 2:15:34 PM by xie323

Vapor Lord

Abstaining on 089 until I get data on his agency.

Hrrrmmmmm, as someone who has read through a hellton of Grimm Fairy Tales comics, and had a major hand in the proposal of the worst villain in the franchise, the Red Queen, I....think I'll lean 'Yes' on the Vapor Lord, but it's mainly due to his attacking a children's hospital. Otherwise he wouldn't stand out much, I don't think.

'No' to yet another SCP candidate (Seriously, are people even TRYING to make a cohesive story with this franchise???).

@xie: I'm pretty well-versed in the Transformers franchise, so shoot me a PM if you want on the candidate.

are you referring to the Dark Queen Lucinda because I don’t see the Red queen in the YMMV page

Ohh... that's cool

edited 7th Feb '18 4:04:34 PM by G-Editor

to Vapor Lord.

edited 7th Feb '18 3:20:25 PM by MGD107

Yuuuup. I call her the Red Queen oft-times simply because she always wears the most garish of wardrobes, which are invariably blood red.

Vapor Lord, SCP-089.

So, kind of an unrelated issue, but I was contemplating the validity of Lilly D from the Haunting Hour series. From the sound of her, she doesn't really seem that heinous in comparison to some of the more violent antagonists of the series. There was also the fact that partially her motivation for trying to switch places in her debut episode was so she could feel loved.

Souns a cut.

Lilly D was a character I'd had doubts on for a while for those exact reasons, but I never said anything because it had been years since I'd seen the show. Agreed she should probably be cut.

Vapor Lord, the SCP candidate.

Lily

Alright, time to explain what happens in season 2 of Wolf Creek.

Eve Thorogood, the protagonist of the first season isn't in this one. Presumably, she still believed Mick to have died despite his body disappearing, and she left Australia and went back to America. Despite al common sense, she apparently didn't tell anyone about him, as he is still not a fugitive. The only callback to the previous season is when someone notices a scar on Mick's chest from where Eve impaled him at the climax of the season one finale. We don't see the other two scars, which are presumably down lower and hidden by his shirt.

The season opens with him in a gun shop pretending to snipe at a woman. The gun shop owner, Tom, is an old friend of his who sold guns to Mick's father when Mick was a boy. Tom is very familiar with Mick and his family, and every year, Mick goes to his shop to buy new guns from him. The wo are close enough to tell jokes to each other. Tom tells Mick that he's heard about a lot of murders going around near Mick's area, telling him that he's seen crime shows and the killer is always caught, as someone recognizes them. The police talk to someone who knows them, recognizes their vehicle, and they put everything together like a puzzle. Hearing this, Mick realizes that, just by virtue of being so familiar with him, Tom could eventually lead to Mick's capture. Mick is reluctant to kill his old friend, and leaves the shop. However, after thinking about it, Mick changes his mind, goes back in, and shoots and kills Tom, his friend for decades. Tom lives long enough to realize that Mick is the killer. Despite their friendship, Mick shows little to no remorse.

The main plot of the season is a tour group in Australia being targeted by Mick. Mick meets the tour guide, Davo, at a truck stop. The two chat casually, with Mick commenting on the "full deck" of the group; Caucasians, African Americans, Canadians, Europeans, and gays. After Mick says that he thinks he could be a tour guide, Davo say that he doesn't think so because of his mouth, referring to the slurs Mick uses to refer to the group. Mick takes offense to this and decides to make the group his next victims. Mick kills Davo at a pit stop while the group is asleep and takes hi place, telling the group that Davo had a family emergency, and he is their replacement driver.

Mick drugs the group and takes them deep into the outback, leaving the bus after taking out the battery so he could make it a hunt and slowly kill off the group. Mick kills the group one by one. He kills one person by beating them savagely with a shovel, cutting out their tongue, and leaving them buried up to their head in sand, finally burying their head under a termite mound.

Mick continues to hunt and kill the tourists, eventually coming across a group of aboriginal trackers, who incapacitate him with a magic singing ritual that causes him great pain (so magic exists in the franchise to an extant, maybe Mick really did see ghosts in Desolation Game, and he did get superhuman characteristics) in an attempt to save the tourists. Mick however revives and kills them.

After the tourists reach a mine site, Mick arrives and kills the owner and his wife and son (who is a child). The tourists learn from a map in the mine site that there is an abandoned mine not far from it, which must be Mick's lair since it's the only place around for miles. They decide to go there to rescue the surviving tourists that Mick had captured earlier for torture. Mick however follows and hunts them in the tunnels of the mine. One of the tourists, Brian, reveals that he is a murderer too, having killed his father. He tries to convince Mick to let him go, as they are similar and Brian doesn't care what happens to the others. Mick appears to agree, but later goes back on his word and kills Brian. The last of the tourists, Rebecca, Danny, and Kelly, attack Mick, but he locks Danny and Rebecca behind a door and goes to kill Kelly, promising to torture and kill Danny and Rebecca later. Rebecca blows up the place with gasoline to destroy Mick's lair and save herself and Danny from a long and painful murder. Mick and Kelly get out and Mick tells Kelly that she can either let him kill her or try to walk her way to civilization, saying that they are in the middle of nowhere and she will die before she reaches civilization. Kelly naturally tries to take the walk, so Mick drives off and leaves her to die in the outback.

The season ends with Mick at a pub watching a news story about the missing tour group. After the credits, we see Kelly' s phone finally get reception, implying that she will survive since she can now call for help.

Lily.

The Enemy and Deathsmith. Changed to for Shaoqing for heinousness issues. to SCP-089 because we don't know how much control it has over the disasters it's associated with, or even if it's conscious.

I know there's a lot of effort posts going on, so here's another one.

What Is the Work?

The Suffering is a 2004 horror/action game developed by Surreal Software and published by Midway that feels like a combination between Oz, Silent Hill, and Infamous.

You play as Torque, a man of few words who has been accused of murdering his wife and two sons, even though he can’t remember doing so. He’s placed in Abbott State Penitentiary on Carnate Island, a location with a very shady, dark past. On Torque’s first day in prison, an earthquake hits Carnate, and suddenly, creatures called Malefactors (designed by Stan Winston himself) invade, killing the prisoners and guards. It’s up to Torque to escape the island, all while battling the guilt over his family’s death and piecing together what really happened.

Throughout the game, Torque encounters many spirits, some decent, others harmful. Today, we'll be looking at one of the harmful ones.

Who Is he?

Hermes T. Haight (pronounced ‘hate’) is the former executioner at Abbott State Penitentiary who later became a ghost, spending his time haunting the prison and killing people with his poisonous gas.

What has he done?

In life, Hermes worked at Abbott, getting the job of executioner because he managed to hide his psychopathic personality better than others; the prison didn’t want to hire obvious psychos, so they chose him, where he continued to work due to receiving praise from the Maryland Board of Corrections ("Once you've killed a man who was begging for his life, and everyone congratulates you on a job well done, nothing can compare."). He used everything to kill people: lethal injections, nooses, electrocution, etc. But his favorite kind of execution was locking prisoners in a sealed chamber and unleashing a colorless, odorless gas that causes them to suffocate to death, having done so for decades, taking pride in his work. He was even the cause of Horace Gage’s death via the electric chair, where he became an electric spirit forced to haunt the prison. One day, Hermes became obsessed with wondering what his victims went through before their executions, listening to their phone calls and studying their corpses post-execution. In the end, Hermes decided to get a taste of the gas himself, where he ended up dead.

As a ghost, Hermes wonders the halls of Abbott, randomly gassing prisoners to death. He colored his gas green so that his victims can see it coming, enjoying their sudden fear before they die. His first appearance has him trapping a guard into his gas chamber and having him slowly killed (the player is forced to watch, not having the ability to save him). When talking to Torque for the first time, he’s jealous about how he got to kill a woman before him, explaining how he’s a professional dedicated to his work and that nothing will stop him.

Throughout the game, Hermes tries to bring Torque to the dark side, encouraging him to unleash his literal inner beast. At one point, he randomly kills two prisoners, telling Torque that he can’t escape him. He then kills a prisoner trying to escape from the island. If you save Jimmy from being trapped behind some rocks, Hermes will end up killing him via his gas right before his boss fight. His fight has him trying to gas Torque to death while talking about his backstory, claiming how his “talents were underutilized,” and how now that he’s dead, he can do whatever he wants.

His last scene has him grudgingly helping Torque get across a gorge, only doing so because the area that Torque must get to, the dock, holds the secret as to who killed Torque's family (all depending on the player’s actions), as well as the fact that he now sees Torque as a killing machine. He creates a bridge by gassing an escaping prisoner bus and killing the people inside, causing the thing to get wedged in-between the gap.

Redeeming Qualities?

None. Despite claiming that he’s just doing his job, that doesn’t excuse his sick enjoyment in killing people, along with finding different ways to kill people. While he helps Torque near the end, his attitude makes it feel like he ‘has to’, rather than ‘wants to’.

Heinousness?

Out of all the other ghosts haunting Carnate, he’s easily the worst, not counting the mindless Malefactors infesting the island and killing everyone. Dr. Killjoy is an Affably Evil figure who genuinely wanted to help people, despite how unconventional and unsafe his methods are (it’s also ambiguous as to whether or not he’s evil or just crazy). The aforementioned Horace, despite having killed his wife, is actually a sane individual who helps out Torque whenever he can. The Three Girls started out as pyromaniacs accusing people of witchcraft before committing suicide after regretting their actions. Hermes on the other hand is just a sadist who gets enjoyment out of killing.

Conclusion

An easy keep. As a representation of the Holocaust (with Hermes sharing the Nazi’s “just doing my job” attitude), Hermes stands out as an evil a piece of garbage hated by everyone in Abbott, even before his death.

Don't change the channel, because there's more Suffering to come tonight.

edited 7th Feb '18 6:04:37 PM by therealjackieboy

Hermes. Sounds like a real psycho.

Also, there is a bracketing error in the Pale Queen's entry, causing "immediately flees" to read as "Dirty Coward immediately flees." I don't know what kind of error message to send to the person who posted it, so I'm just pointing it out here.

edited 7th Feb '18 5:41:18 PM by MetaBuu

to Hermes, love this game.

Hermes, but what's this about a family?

Depending on the player's actions, the ending will reveal what really happened to Torque's family. Doing bad things shows Torque murdering his family in cold blood, while doing good things shows that someone was sent to kill the family and that Torque just so happened to walk in on the murders.

That's why I compared this game to Infamous.

edited 7th Feb '18 5:50:47 PM by therealjackieboy

@Austion DR, Is Lily's motivation wanting to be loved played sympatheticly or is it just her being a narcissist? If the latter than that is not a disqualifier.

Also just because there are more violent antagonists doesn't necessarily mean they are more heinous. Some context on what these antagonists do would be appreciated.

Real shame they didn't make a third game with an even more complex moral system.

From what I remember of that show, some of the other antagonists include a spider-like monster that feeds on children, a Serial Killer farmer who beheads children and replaces them with pumpkin heads, and Bloody Mary, who enslaves beautiful girls and removes their faces.

edited 7th Feb '18 5:57:25 PM by Clown-Face

Oh Torque's family, not Hermes'. Gotcha.