Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

The link does work but you need to open access to everyone.

Okay, I think I made the right change - mind checking again to see if that worked?

Thanks a bunch man, appreciate the help!

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Dec 25th 2021 at 1:17:37 PM

Yep, that worked .

Sorry for the double post but I am now realizing that disambiguating Garth's Preacher script is literally impossible. Since it is made by Garth himself who also made the comic series doing it by his name wouldn't make sense but since it also doesn't have a release date I can't use the year either. For now, I just left it as undisambiguated but this isn't exactly ideal, I have never seen a situation like this before where we have both normal disambiguation methods completely unavailable.

Well, the Ennis draft is undated while the August script is 2010 - could one just be at Script.Preacher Undated Draft while the other is at Script.Preacher 2010?

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Dec 25th 2021 at 1:30:05 PM

I guess that will have to do.

Marie and Jody, would they be a joint write-up?

Herod.

At first, I thought it was the version from The Star, mainly because of his, "If I cannot find this one child, then I'll have to kill them all!" line. That version might be a good contender, too, though, my only problem is that he doesn't make much of an outright attempt to kill every child in Judea.

Edited by Misry6 on Dec 25th 2021 at 10:49:54 AM

I watched that movie recently, and I doubt he'd count, considering how the movie almost insultingly skips over the whole "massacre every infant male" to have a safe Happy Ending.

I do actually remember looking into that one to see if he qualified. The thing that made me hesitant is that it is literally all we get a threat that shows he is willing to do it but nothing in the way on an actual attempt. Who knows maybe I am wrong about this one though.

And yeah as Clown Face pointed out it is very glossed over.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Dec 25th 2021 at 11:02:08 AM

Speaking of Herod, could he be a contender for the actual religion? Mass infanticide seems pretty bad.

Oh damn, ok.

Edited by WetFlannels on Dec 25th 2021 at 7:15:33 PM

That is going to be a hard one to convince people on with the super high standard of the bible. I don't even think that crime is unique to him.

I've also seen The Star and yeah, that sounds more like Fridge Horror. The movie is so desperately trying to keep the story kid-friendly and when you remember things like that, it definitely makes it harder to do.

I wouldn't exactly call it Fridge Horror exactly, the line is pretty blatant (even using the world "kill"), it is just all we get and then nothing else.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Dec 25th 2021 at 11:31:14 AM

So yeah, it's a primal example then of when we CAN'T bring OV to the forefront since there's nothing else to support it in the narrative.

Psycho-Pass: The Movie

• Colonel Nicholas Wong is the ruthless military commander of Shambala Float, a dystopian country in crisis from the terror of its despotic regime. Having allied with Sibyl for mutual benefits, Wong launched a coup and disposed of dictator Chuan Han, replacing him with a puppet figure in his likeliness while Wong ostensibly took control. Under Wong's jurisdiction, Han's regime becomes far more brutal, violently oppressing any resistance through illegal abuse of Japan's technological exports. With the introduction of the Sibyl System to Shambala Float, Wong segregates latent criminals from those with clean hues, turning them into collared slaves subject to electric shocks and fatal poisoning at Sibyl's discretion. Wong himself is a latent criminal with a Crime Coefficient of 380 but exploits a loophole to have the cymatic scanners not detect him or his military personnel. With the aid of Sibyl in furthering Shambala Float as a technological construct, Wong ultimately plans to conquer all of Southeast Asia and rule with an iron fist.

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Dec 26th 2021 at 12:20:59 PM

It's not. The Pharaoh from the book of Exodus did the same thing.

Agreed. It isn't like Judge Claude Frollo where his attempt to rape Esmeralda is Offstage Villainy yet still has onscreen actions (like ordering an entire family burned alive and attempting genocide on the Roma people) that qualify him for the trope, which is a completely different case.

Edited by Misry6 on Dec 26th 2021 at 12:48:38 PM

Ordeaux, we don't need a page, but I think I WILL give Arkn its own folder at Web Original. We'll have to chop the header, but at least the tree looks a little less unwieldy.

Yes to Ghidorah and Preacher script duo.

Ghidorah, Marie and Jody.

Takaesu, Roman, Herod, Murderer, De'ebolus, Wong, Ghidorah, Marie and Jody

Gil

Requesting an investigation for Rikako Oryo of Psycho-Pass with full dialogue scripts if needed. I went and rewatched episodes 7-8 to make sure nothing is ill-informed. Keep in mind I did not see this character on the administrative page or anything to dispute this yet. These are all from the original Japanese scripts, not the dub. At the very least, if someone wants to still challenge the notion Rikako genuinely loves her daddy, I think a new writeup axing the bolded text would be due eventually:

Current Description

Rikako Oryo, one of Shogo Makishima's side projects, relishes Shakespeare's plays when they depict human cruelty and suffering. Rikako has an obsession with creating art by drugging her fellow female students before raping and murdering them. In order to mimic her father's artworks, which Rikako enjoyed even if she had nothing but contempt for the man himself, Rikako dissects the girls and arranges the corpses into scenes to mirror the portraits.

- Rikako cares for her catatonic father in the hospital every day. We never see her visit him to abuse him in this capacity if Cioccolata comes to mind. It is very genuine.

- At no point does Rikako notably express contempt for or badmouth her father. In a speech following his passing, she states she deeply admires and worships him as a person. Even though she claims to not forgive him for giving in to Sibyl, she expresses she will continue to honor his memory.

- When talking about Rikako to Senguji, Makishima surmises that Rikako is consumed by love for her father and is likely motivated solely by a warped desire for revenge against society for what it did to him.

- On the verge of death, Rikako despondently grieves for her father, repeatedly muttering his name while spilling tears.

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Dec 26th 2021 at 3:43:24 AM

Another proposal! This time from a guilty pleasure film of mine.

What is the Work

The Scorpion King is a fantasy action film series that counts both as a prequel and a spin off from The Mummy franchise. It follows an Akkadian warrior known as Mathayus and his legendary rise to power. The film I'm focusing on is the first one and the resident big bad Memnom.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

Memnon is the warrior king of an unnamed empire which swept from the east and is proclaimed "The greatest swordsman in the world." Taking a fascination with the sorceress Cassandra, Memnon kidnapped her at a young age and used her ability to witness the future to lead a brutal campaign throughout Egypt, destroying countless settlements and killing the inhabitants. Memmon is shown to have a desire for Cassandra and would've taken her to bed (non consensually) if not for the fact that if Cassandra had sex, it would take away her foreseeing ability.

In the introduction of the film, Memnon is seen riding out of a burning town with charred corpses tied to poles along the path. When Memnon reaches a large group of the villagers who had surrendered, he had them all slaughtered without mercy. In the end of this campaign, there were only a few tribes that hadn't been placed under Memnon's rule or put to the grave.

Mathayus and his other two Akkadian comrades, one being his brother, get hired by the king of the free tribes to kill Cassandra to take away Memnon's tactical advantage. Unknown to them, the king's son Takmet had informed Memnon of the plan and to prove his loyalty, killed his father. While the 2 Akkadians get shot by Memnon's guards, Mathayus manages to sneak into Cassandra's tent without detection. Unfortunately because of Takmet's betrayal, Memnon had his guards grab Mathayus and when it was revealed that his brother was still alive, Memnon took Mathayus' knife and slit his brother's throat in front of him. When told he cannot kill Mathayus by his hand or any that he commands by Cassandra, Memnon has Mathayus almost fully buried but left his head out of the ground to be eaten alive by killer ants.

Later in the film when Mathayus breaks into his Memnon's keep, a child who was discovered with jewels that Mathayus had bribed him with was brought to him. Calling it "the penalty of thievery", Memnon almost has the child's arm hacked off before Mathayus interferes. In the ongoing scuffle, Mathayus escapes while taking Cassandra. Memnon sends his top enforcer Thorak and a small band of guards to chase them.

Later in the film when the hero's end up in one of the last free villages, Cassandra speaks to a child before having a vision that Memnon goes on a mass slaughter spree there, killing everyone including the children. To stop that, Cassandra returns back to Memnon's keep. On the night that Memnon would commence the raid, Cassandra reveals herself to be in the keep. Memnon approaches one of his loyal soldiers who had prior raised concerns about where Cassandra was and stabbed him calling him "weak and afraid" for doubting him.

Memnon takes Cassandra back to his throne room and tests her by making her selecting the empty vases in front of her while 2 of them have snakes in, to make sure she still has her power. When he realises that she doesn't because she consummated with Mathayus, he goes to kill her before Mathayus intervenes. After a climatic fight, Mathayus gets shot with an arrow by a soldier. Memnon thinking that he was dead, overlooked the front of his palace where a majority of the rebels (including a child) were and goes to have them executed. Memnon meets his end when Mathayus shoots an arrow into him with such force that it blasts him back into an ongoing explosion and his body crashes onto the floor. With their king gone, Memnon's soldiers surrender and hail Mathayus and Cassandra as their new rulers.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Memnon's "care" for Cassandra is nothing more than lust and she states that he's been keeping her as a slave only waiting until his quest of conquest is complete and he no longer needs her powers before he has her for himself.

He sees himself that he's a WIE with his goals of conquest with quotes like this -

Memnon: I will bring order after centuries of chaos. An order which will last for a thousand years. The Sorceress: Rivers of blood can never bring peace. Memnon: But they can bring obedience. That will suffice for now.

His actions speak otherwise with the mass murdering of people who surrender to him and killing his own soldiers who questioned him out of concern. All I get from this guy is delusion and empty rhetoric. He never has any acts of kindness or mercy to counteract his statements.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Scorpion king has quite a decent standard to be honest with the worst of the worst in this franchise being rulers who are callous to their own followers and have attempted to slaughter settlements. With some of them, it's attempted by the looks of things and not confirmed on screen villainy like Memnon committed. The distasteful relationship he has with Cassandra also is something not seen within the franchise and it's implied Memnon's had lustful intentions for Cassandra since she was young... so make of that with what you will.

Final Verdict?

For the cliché hammy villain in the cliché hammy film.

Memnon

Cut Rikako

Even if he's not a WIE, how does he compare to the other keepers? We already have 2 from films and one from a game.

I found this for when she first went up

"paintings...Rikako has little but contempt for her father, though she enjoys and respects the art."

Ill, abstain til more discussion here comes up, this should get cleared up.