During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Edmond Bancroft. Great "evil rich guy" name, too.
Cheryl and Bancroft.
Gentle Laborer
Long time since i proposed a SCP Foundation candidate. I've thinking about proposing this one for a while now.
What is the setting? SCP-2888 details the story of Mildred Reckart, a woman who was murdered in 1954 by an unidentified man. For unknown reasons, dozens of women with the exact same DNA as Reckart were born in the following years, and unfortunately for them, Reckart's killer has returned to torment these copies.
Who is Marshall Ford Everett? A man with an obsession for his first name, Marshall is a firm owner that moonlights as Serial Killer, having been responsible for the murder of the original Mildred Reckart. Targeting a precise DNA profile, Marshall is able to sense women with Reckart's DNA and knows everything about them even before they have met, which he uses to his advantage. Not only that, but Marshall is able to reincarnate in a new body everytime he gets caught. Between 1957 and 1973, 38 clones of Mildred Reckart were born; Marshall hunted and succesfully murdered 31 of them, luring them to his residence, which he modified to be a literal torture dungeon, murdering them in a variety of ways that include throwing them in an incenerator and burning them, or locking them in a room that is set to be constantly electrified. Marshall would stash numerous bodies behind the house's walls. Marshall has also installed speakers on the walls, which are continuously playing the screams of one of his first victims.
In Foundation custody, doctors found absolutely nothing wrong with Marshall's mind, despite his repeated attempts of trying to appear insane; he just was that way. In fact, Foundation personnel were convinced that Marshall was simply trying to mess with them For the Lulz. When asked why he did that to all those women, Marshall corrected the man by saying that he had killed just one woman all this time, and commented that he got "pretty good at it". The story implies that the Foundation will never truly stop him, he will keep reincarnating, and clones with Reckart's DNA will be destined to fall victim to him.
Freudian Excuse? No excuses are given to him, we are left to assume that this is just normal to him, his favorite hobby.
Heinous? Now, SCP's HS is high, and when i say that, i really mean it; my previous SCP candidate paralyzed women and used them as sex slaves for christ's sake. But his sheer cruelty and indifference to the lives of others makes me believe that he counts. I was going to explore a Foundation Tale detailing Marshall's childhood and how he first tought of murder as a little boy, but everything not in the entry, Tales included, is to be dismissed as non-canon.
Conclusion? I'd say
edited 14th May '18 5:00:16 PM by TheMadCr0w
to Bancroft and Cheryl.
Been a little busy reading this story lately (just don't expect a discussion from that), but something funny happened to me regarding this trope. I just gotta share this story.
I did a voting poll today to see who was considered the most evil villain in my fandom circles, using Complete Monsters as examples and adding the criteria for adding examples. (short version, Angelus got the most votes). However what's interesting is that in the discussion under that poll, there's people who consider Warren Meers this. Now opinions are opinions but the funny thing is that Warren got more votes than Ramsay Bolton in that poll, and was the runner up to Angelus.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
dude from SCP. Body count+methods+him being only a human=CM territory.
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to Thanos for all reasons stated and I agree that all the movie villains in the MCU that counted before still count now.
to Marshall Everret btw.
I'm not sure about Everett. He's bad but the heinous standard is so high in the SCP-verse that I'm not sure he stands out enough even as a seemingly normal human. I might change my mind but for now I'm abstaining.
Gentle Laborer
Added the information that he installed speakers on the walls that keep playing the screams of a previous victim, they placed this fairly important aspect of his in the footnotes for some reason.
edited 14th May '18 5:09:17 PM by TheMadCr0w
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Yea on Marshall
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Cheryl Roberts and Edmond Bancroft. Gotta think on Marshall.
I'm actually going to be saying no to Marshall, yeah, his kills are fairly nasty but he's got a few dozen wracked up. He's a prick for sure but in the SCP world I'm not seeing much stand out. Given the casualties the SCP personal themselves allow to stack up in the name of keeping the anomalies at bay, I don't think he's anything special, even for a normal dude. Also, constantly playing the screams of his previous victims in his house? That's... creepy but not a crime worth mentioning.
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Abstaining on him for now. He really dont sound as awful as the others, but eh.
Also, about SCP...
Dont get me wrong, he is awful but...his entire race is as awful as him, he just seem to have gotten the most screentime.
I mean, its race feeds out on suffering, its collective endgoal is turn humans into handless slaves.
He is just the one that happened to go for humanity, for what I understand, every other member of his species aprove his actions.
edited 14th May '18 5:34:56 PM by KazuyaProta
Watch me destroying my country
Marshall
Gentle Laborer
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This is the alien dude from Kalinin's SCP-001, Marshall is from SCP-2888, both from the same author tho.
Oh, never mind.
edited 14th May '18 5:34:49 PM by TheMadCr0w
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
Joseph, c’mon dude, please.
@Kazuya, sounds like an iffy one. The only way I could see him staying is if that’s either untrue or the rest of his race is unseen and the attribute remains offscreen.
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They're in different realities... that all have jacked up heinous standards.
edited 14th May '18 5:57:58 PM by 43110
I don't think the heinous standard is THAT high due to how they are all in alternate realities. However I am unsure if what he does is enough considering how heinous SC Ps are able to be, depends on the other SC Ps by the same author like 001.
EDIT: I read the story and I think the crimes of the rest of his race ARE offscreen. So I GUESS he does enough since he definitely is more destructive than the rest of his race proves to be.
edited 14th May '18 5:57:44 PM by Knack
I can vote to Marshall Everret.
Yes I am aware of the heinous standard of each, all I am saying is that it isn't a ludicrous idea for a normal human to count in a different reality from the owner, of course if the owner isn't in the same reality. It's all bizarre.
EDIT: @Cr0w is this in a different reality than the owner is in and is he DEFINITELY a normal human? If both are true than I will say yes because that would make him different enough from all the other villains I think.
edited 14th May '18 6:06:02 PM by Knack
Shin Megami Tensei IV
But if his entire race want to do it, why he is the most evil of them? He is just the one that bothered coming to Earth.
They want be sure that mankind accept becoming slaves and the entry specify that is his duty.
He is on a mission from a Always Chaotic Evil species. His entire species is as bad as him or close, he just happened to be the one in Earth.
SCP-001
edited 14th May '18 6:07:58 PM by KazuyaProta
Watch me destroying my country
@ Knack, No one is disagreeing that a human can stand out, we're saying the exact same thing as you: there's question of him doing enough regardless.
@ Kazuya, If he's the only one shown—and only if he's the only one shown—then he can still count on the fact that his race not having agency is an Informed Attribute but the second another one shows up and acts the same way, then it's onscreen and he's gotta go.
You may be right. Actually, if there is onscreen evidence than cut 001. He is following orders of a race composed of evil people so naturally he would be as heinous as he is.
edited 14th May '18 6:09:35 PM by Knack
Gentle Laborer
I can confirm that Marshall is just a normal guy who happens to have some supernatural powers. If this takes place in the same reality as other SC Ps is not explored, most of the entries are like that.
edited 14th May '18 6:08:43 PM by TheMadCr0w
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Edmond Bancroft. Geez, so that is what happens when you dont have the Writer blocks conversations available.
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