Edit banned/Suspended - would like to edit again.

Good morning, ~NICHTIGE. Yes, Example Indentation was one issue but other issues were turning examples into Zero Context Examples, poor grammar, spoiler tagging trope names and natter.

~High Crate: Yes, that is the final decision. Please abstain from participating in that effort.

~HighCrate, I've released your suspension.

~Monsund, I think it would be best for everyone if you took an extended break from the thread. Since that is the only area of contention, I'd be fine with suspending you from the Video Games subforum for 4 weeks. We can re-discuss your appeal after that, to determine if we feel that you can revise the behavior in question responsibly. Agreed?

~Camolot, please let me know what's nattery about this edit of yours:

• Cloning Blues: Averted. Tyler's clone gets a name (Toby), develops cosmic powers, and is adopted by his parents, who are delighted — to the point where Tyler is worried they'll like his new "brother" better. However, Cecil rejects Toby, though he remains close friends with Tyler. It also helps that Toby feels BAD for Tyler, and attempts to assist Tyler whenever he can.

And fix this edit for example indentation:

• Parental Neglect: Tyler. His parents largely ignore him for the majority of the plot, later forgetting about him completely in favor of his actually super-powered clone-slash-brother, Toby. Toby is the only one who actually cares for Tyler at all, and actually attempts to help him at several points, including when Tyler was stuck on the Argosian starship millions of lightyears from home. Toby replaced Tyler with a construct that was implied to be barely anything like Tyler, and acted "Odd". The worst part? HIS PARENTS NEVER NOTICED.
  • Sadly, and unsurprisingly, this seems to apply to many super-heroes and their children, with the only exceptions being Julie, whose parents are just normal people, and the Emerald Gauntlet family, who apparently makes a point NOT to be. Particularly egregious is Atlas towards his son, Ron, which leads to Ron's parents divorcing, which he believes is his fault.

~Monsund, your suspension has been updated to only be applicable to the Video Games subforum. See you in 4 weeks.

~NICHTIGE, we'll just work through the various issues to make sure you're in the clear.

• Zero Context Example: Any example on a page should make clear within the example text how it fits the trope. A reader should not have to click to another page, or scroll somewhere else in the page, to understand it. For example:
  • Artifact of Doom: Deconstructed with the 1-Up Mushroom, which would have been a Deus ex Machina otherwise.

Based on this write-up, I don't understand what an Artifact of Doom is, much less how the 1-Up Mushroom demonstrates how it is one.

• Spoiler-tagging trope names is explicitly against the policy in Handling Spoilers.

• Natter (or Conversation on the Main Page) is when your edit makes it sound like multiple people are talking together.

• Example Indentation: as stated in the policy page, a single example of a trope goes on the same line as the trope name. If there are multiple examples, the trope name goes on the single-bullet line, and each example has its own second-level bullet. This example of yours has a single example (Koopa), but you split their write-up into a single-level and second-level line. It is also a natter example, as by putting it on the second-level, you make it sound like a different person is responding to the single-level write-up.
  • Adaptational Villainy: Koopa here is miles worse than his canon counterpart, being willing to commit mass murder with no remorse at all and having the gall to pick at at his archenemies' insecurities. insecurities.
    • The only thing that saves him from being downright detestable is that his henchmen seem to praise him.be genuinely loyal to him instead of serving him out of fear.

As for your grammar, we have a thread to assist in tropers. We should focus on addressing the trope issues above first, though.

~MaMcMu, unfortunately there are some areas of concern in your editing. They are creating clean-up for others, which we like to avoid.

Primarily, you have an issue with Zero Context Examples. Examples need to have sufficient context for a reader to understand (without checking elsewhere) how it fits the trope in question. It looks like you re-commented ZCE's on Zig & Sharko without adding sufficient context, as well as adding your own ZCE's on Abominable.

• Evil Old Folks: The main antagonist is Mr. Burnish, who seeks to prove the world of the existence of the Yeti.

This write-up tells me nothing about Mr. Burnish and how he is an example of Evil Old Folks. You cannot rely on the name of the trope to provide the context.

Less prominently, but still worthy of note, are these:

• Deleting examples without an edit reason on Balloon Belly. If you are going to remove an example, you should be noting why it doesn't look arbitrary.
• Violating Example Indentation on Funny.TexAveryMGMCartoons. If there are multiple examples of a trope, you list it like this:

• Trope Name
  • Example 1
  • Example 2

If there is only one example of a trope, it goes on the same line as the trope name, i.e.:

• Trope Name: Example

~Ashmar

It's been seven years since you were suspended.

You're here due to repeated sinkholing YMMV in a WMG page despite being warned not to do so...and edit warring in the process.

Edited by Berrenta on Sep 30th 2019 at 1:07:44 PM

~NICHTIGE, OK. You can appeal if/whenever you'd like. We don't need justifications, just some understanding of the issues at hand and how to avoid them in the future.

~MaMcMu:

I'm not certain what you're responding to here, but I'm assuming the ZCE issue since that was the first item I listed. It's great that you want to edit some lesser-known entries, but you have to write the examples in a correct way. As said above, someone who reads the example needs to be able to understand how it is an example. Let's do a quick test. Can you rewrite this example on Zig & Sharko to have sufficient context?

• Absurdly Bright Light

You should always be editing for a "final version". You are editing on a live wiki, where your edits are seen by other people. If you'd like to play around some examples, you should use a Sandbox.

OK, then that's a perfectly good explanation. It should have been put as the edit reason.

This doesn't really have anything to do with example indentation. Your edit there was just from less than a week ago, so it's still very reasonable to be discussed and resolved here.

Excellent, you're all set. Thanks for coming in.

Mods are not as we do not handle appeals outside this thread. If someone pings you in a post, the system automatically sends a PM.

Excellent work, ~Camolot. I'll release your suspension. Happy troping!