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Welcome to the Magnificent Bastard (MB) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List

Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a MB has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's MBs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any MB link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an MB link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved MBs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their MB equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:36:43 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#2801: Jan 3rd 2024 at 7:09:53 PM

It would be handy if someone more familiar than I drafted one. To me the issue seems to be they largely take a standard hero story but have some sketchy points that let them land for the bastard criteria but these moments can be forgotten when looking at their character overall.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#2802: Jan 3rd 2024 at 7:17:42 PM

I'm not hugely aware of the characters but I can still take a shot at it based on what I've seen:

  • Final Fantasy XVI: Clive Rosfield and Jill Warrick (though they are mostly heroic, they are willing to engage in morally gray acts like starting a fire in a public place, allowing them to meet the "Bastard" requirement)

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jan 5th 2024 at 3:57:49 PM

LarryT I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT! from the Eldritch Ocean Abyss Since: Aug, 2023
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#2804: Jan 5th 2024 at 4:55:33 PM

Forgot to mention this, but as I'm going through and deleting G's MB entries, I realized that I can vouch for Paola, so I'm gonna remove her from my list.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#2805: Jan 5th 2024 at 5:54:56 PM

Apologies for the double post, but I've officially cut all of G's unvouched candidates. In just a moment, I'll add them to Former Magnificent Bastards and cut them from his Sandbox list.

Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
#2806: Jan 6th 2024 at 8:39:18 AM

We're very near to the discussion date anyways in my timezone... anyone mind if we finally, finally get the ball rolling on discussing my man My Hero Academia - All For One early? He's a very easy conversation.

EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Ravok Caesar Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Caesar
#2808: Jan 6th 2024 at 8:45:06 AM

Likewise go for it, bud!

WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#2810: Jan 6th 2024 at 8:48:32 AM

On board here!

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
#2811: Jan 6th 2024 at 8:55:14 AM

So... All For One...

...is at last an easy cut. He's still an amazing planner and a straight-up badass with a penchant for unexpected recoveries and last-minute gambles (Like his brutal outplaying of Stain) and we get shown that he rose from nothing to become a famous Demon Lord through sheer charisma and planning skill, but the final arc really centers the fact he's a genuine black hole of evil who cannot resist taking actions motivated by his own pride and cruelty, who ultimately ends up foiled in not only having his plans fail and being betrayed by all of his allies, but not even getting to end on a high point of scoring a Mutual Kill with All Might and instead getting his shit rocked by Bakugo, a literal teenager that our man AFO has long dismissed as a side player.

Then, thanks to his Rewind Quirk rewinding him to youth, he gets turned into a literal screaming infant throwing a fit over his dead brother refusing to be his possession, still tries to kill Bakugo as a baby because he's All For One and that's what he does, and finally, finally fades out of existence as a pathetic, unloved shell of a being who managed to undo literal centuries of planning over the course of one battle.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#2812: Jan 6th 2024 at 8:56:05 AM

Cut all for one.

Debate finally settled

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
jlvs200s Jogo from The Netherlands (Troper in training) Relationship Status: At the center of everything that happens to me
Jogo
#2814: Jan 6th 2024 at 8:58:50 AM

Cut All For One

Edited by jlvs200s on Jan 6th 2024 at 5:59:24 PM

"Stand proud, Sukuna, you are strong." | He/Him
Libraryseraph Showtime! from Canada (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Showtime!
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#2816: Jan 6th 2024 at 8:59:23 AM

Cut All For One.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#2817: Jan 6th 2024 at 8:59:27 AM

Alrighty, finally cut AFO, great work Riley! I've gone ahead and hollered the OP so we can remove that "temporary" note that's been there for like 18 months [lol]

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Ravok Caesar Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Caesar
#2820: Jan 6th 2024 at 9:02:06 AM

Cut All for One, good summary, Riley!

WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
CapitanoNox Lord of Space from Italy Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Lord of Space
227someguy I hate spoilers Since: Jul, 2018
I hate spoilers
#2822: Jan 6th 2024 at 9:15:28 AM

Cut AFO. Even putting aside the fact that he was Out-Gambitted, his Villainous Breakdown alone warrants a cut. He goes into a Rapid-Fire "No!" and loses all (or most) of the admiration that he had when he was worthy of this trope.

Everyone look at my sandbox
Evanpotter09 Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
LarryT I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT! from the Eldritch Ocean Abyss Since: Aug, 2023
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
#2825: Jan 6th 2024 at 9:31:36 AM

Chop All For One

We’re going to have to remove the note

Edited by LarryT on Jan 6th 2024 at 10:05:11 AM

In honor of Akira Toriyama

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