Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
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40259 characters of content, barely over the line. Doesn't look any more ZCE-ridden than your average character page, so it's good enough to go assuming the page it's leaving is large enough.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Besides some beefing up. Looks good to go.
Hi! :3
From Characters.Zatanna, the main character herself has 50,828 bytes. Should be create a specific page of her ?
RIP Toriyama
Alright, Roman's Sandbox is now well over 41k bytes, so I'm gonna give it until tomorrow and then I'll make the page itself. Thanks for all the help and feedback, y'all!
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
No real point, the rest of the page isn't big enough.
Mr. Tahiti Plan der Linde
With what RallyBot said, the best thing to do is to expand the sheets of the other characters on the page until it reaches the 40K threshold without Zatanna herself, after which Zatanna can have a page of her own.
Professional Wick Checker
The characters page for Characters.SK 8 The Infinity is very slow, being over 40k characters (143,706 characters in total). Should we split off the two main characters (Reki and Langa) into their own page from the rest of the recurring and side characters sheet (they both make 50,633 characters)?
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Sure. I say split them.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 27th 2023 at 7:56:25 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
the Retromancer
Ok to merge Shimeji Simulation - Shijima Tsukishima, Shimeji Simulation Majime Yamashita, Shimeji Simulation Big Sis and Shimeji Simulation The Gardener back to the Characters page? You don't need a byte check to obviously see these are way too small.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
The Ultimate Lifeform
Hmmm... I hope this doesn't get me chewed out...
So recently I have been making a fair bit of edits to the page of The Owl House - Other, specifically the folder for Camila Noceda. I just did a Byte Count of her and she is currently sitting at 42,049 bytes. I did my best to make sure that she had no Zero Context Examples and no Walls of Text. Should she get her own page? And since Camila has 60+ tropes and just four of them aren't spoilered, she should obviously be all spoilers unmarked if she does get one in my opinion. Any thoughts on this?
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Not sure why you'd be chewed out? The folder looks fine and it meets the byte minimum so go ahead and split.
Checking Leon and Ada off the list of Resident Evil CSP's to go through. They're both still above byte minimum, so pages can stay, just need cleanup. Trope changes are over at my sandbox
and I've got sandbox pages for Leon and Ada up for swapping in. Interestingly, I didn't see nearly as many non-characterization tropes on Leon's page as I have on the others.
- Leon's count is now 54,204
- Ada's count is now 44,155
E: Added archive link to preserve cleanup.
Edited by Hello83433 on Apr 25th 2023 at 2:43:29 PM
CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floors
The Ultimate Lifeform
Okay. I was just worried that because I was the one who made a lot of the edits I would be seen as trying to artificially inflate her entry. You saying it's fine does make me feel a lot better. Should I create something like a sandbox to craft her page before it's formally added?
The Moron
All those changes look good! I noticed the first Pet the Dog entry on Ada's page had a ??? on where to put it, so if you want, you can rewrite it to this and send it to Franchise.Resident Evil:
- Pet the Dog: Ada and Leon's relationship is strained at the best of times, but she consistently intervenes to protect him even when the situation is dangerous for her.
The Ultimate Lifeform
Okay! I've been working on Camila's hypothetical page, and I am currently in the market for some better character images for her page. I can't seem to find any transparent ones...
Here it is for those who are curious. The Owl House Camila Noceda. Is it looking okay?
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Oh thank you. Meant to ask about that one since it was a general example.
Looks good, although note that any image changes aside from quality upgrades of the current images will need to go through the image pickin' thread. The bottom of the page needs a paragraph line (four hyphens, like so: ----).
The Ultimate Lifeform
Just did exactly that. And I thought that adding an image without a background could be done at any time without the need of thread approval?
Joel and Ellie from The Last of Us have their own pages. Should those pages include the TV series adaptations of the characters as well? I know they're separate continuities, but there are other pages that contain multiple incarnations of a character (Robocop's page, for example, contains the original trilogy, 2014 reboot and 1994 series versions of the character.)
Edited by thecarolinabull01 on Feb 5th 2023 at 6:23:40 AM
The TV show has its own character page at Characters.The Last Of Us 2023, so tropes about the TV versions should go there instead.
That Robocop page looks like it should be split up.
Okay So X Men Sinister has all four card suits confirmed and is almost ready to go. I’m going to wait on a page image because Sinister Four might provide an ideal picture of all four together. Someone said there should be a paragraph for the page and I agree, but I can’t think of what to write. If any one has any suggestions I’m all ears.
The Formatter
Make Mr. Sinisters blurb the main blurb and make a new short one in its place. Also the formatting is broken on the original Essex folder.
Okay I did an intro for the Sinister page and placed a temporary page image until a better one comes. I’d say it’s ready to go. Just waiting for confirmation from everyone here
Edited by Furygildeman on Feb 11th 2023 at 1:16:06 AM
Ryomen Sukuna's Sandbox is at 44,215 bytes, and Characters.Jujutsu Kaisen Cursed Spirits And Curse Users (including his folder) is at 211,390 bytes. Is Sukuna's page good enough to be created now or wait for further increase?
Edited by kuchiki222 on Feb 13th 2023 at 4:05:13 AM
Jedi Knight of the Republic
Star Wars Mace Windu Sandbox is at 41272 bytes. Permission to make an official character-specific page?
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy on Feb 15th 2023 at 11:39:05 PM
Franchouchou Sponsor
The Authority: Midnighter was created at only ~20k bytes. I don't recall this being brought to the workshop or anything.
Character Specific Page cleanup
Alright, for anyone to take a look at, here's what Roman's page is looking like at the moment:
Succession Roman Roy
Any thoughts or critiques are appreciated!
Edited by Ravok on Jan 24th 2023 at 1:11:05 AM
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.