Ban-Evader Reversion Thread
Please read the outline below before proceeding any further.Important Note: This thread is devoted to reverting the edits of Tropers who have repeatedly chosen to evade their bans and suspensions, since serial ban-evasion is an act which is by its very nature a display of untrustworthiness, the fact that some ban-evaders outright engage in vandalism or add false information notwithstanding.
, due to the prolific nature of serial ban-evaders, there needs to be a team effort devoted to reverting any and all edits made by ban-evaders, especially serial ban-evaders, and investigating otherwise suspicious edits.
Depending on how much of the pages can be salvaged, they will either be noted in the B.E.R.T. Watch-List, locked if necessary, or cut if unsalvageable.
Any Frequently Vandalized Pages will also be monitored for suspicious activity.
If you notice a page is primarily edited by a certain ban-evader and/or their socks, please bring your findings to this thread so that cleanup can commence.
Potentially valid examples added by ban evaders should be transferred to Ban-Evader Example Rewrites so they can be salvaged. Make sure to mention transferring examples to the sandbox in your edit reason so others who may be willing to rewrite are aware.
Handling General Ban-Evader Edits:
To paraphrase what is stated here and here:
- Bad faith is not necessarily assumed with the contributions of first-time ban-evaders, and their contributions can simply be rephrased assuming they're accurate.
- Any serial (more than once) ban-evader cannot be taken at their word, so their contributions are subject to harsher scrutiny. Any verifiable examples can be reworded (especially if there are grammatical or formatting issues), but unverifiable, false, or otherwise prohibited edits are removed.
- Ban-evaders who deliberately contribute inaccurate or false information are able to have their contributions deleted with little hesitation.
- Rewording or reverting can be as simple as expanding on a ban-evader's existing edits, especially if it means adding sufficient context or trimming word cruft.
The subsequent portions of this section outline further how to handle different kinds of edits and contributions.
The following types of edits can be left alone to preserve wiki quality:
- Grammatical corrections.
- Spelling corrections.
- Formatting updates and corrections.note
- Crosswicked examples from other tropers.
- Indexing (if accurate).note
- Accurately written potholes.note
- Links to the correct Work/Recap/Instalment/Franchise page, including red-linked works.note
- Archive edits. (See here.)
- Launched Tropes.note
The following edits might need to be reworded in order to stay on the wiki, and depending on the examples, may need to be re-evaluated/verified in this thread or in the proper cleanup threads.
- Zero-Context Example expansion.
- Otherwise correctly formatted and valid edits.
The following edits should remain hidden until they can be verified, and deleted if proven inaccurate:
The following items must be sent to the cut-list/otherwise removed on principle (and if applicable, re-created by a trustworthy editor from scratch using a Sandbox):
- Pages created by ban-evaders using their socks.note
- Videos uploaded by ban evaders using their socks.note
- Please refrain from "popcorn posting". This means refraining making comments such as "man, they don't know when to quit", or otherwise unproductive posts.
- Please maintain an atmosphere of civility.
- Please do not withhold information about potential sock-puppetry or other ban-evasion related misconduct, as withholding such information makes one an accessory to ban-evasion.
- When reverting edits, please make notes in the sandboxes, and transfer any potentially valid edits to the appropriate sandbox.
- When reverting ban-evader edits, please use an appropriate (and civil) edit reason.
- Should you suspect a ban-evader has shown up in this thread, please do not make open accusations, trash-talk them, or engage in other uncivil behaviour. Quietly holler the post and wait for mod input; if necessary (especially if suspicious edits or issues unrelated to the forum are involved), make a query at "Ask The Tropers".
- Please respect the thread consensus once it has been established. If an item is resolved, it is usually resolved for a reason.
- If you have any suggestions for new policies, or wish to contest an old one, do it in the General Policy Discussion, not here.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 13th 2024 at 10:23:58 AM
(she/her)
Not sure about that. If the TLP hasn't been launched, we can let the community decide what to do with it.
Edited by MacronNotes on Aug 7th 2023 at 10:17:55 AM
Macron's notes
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Usually if a sponsor turns out to be a ban evader, I note it in the comments, and I know I’m not alone. One of Aces Full (actually Traveler 123)’s drafts, Tourism-Derailing Event, was actually adopted and launched by My Final Edits, so drafts aren’t always unsalvageable.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
The Draftsman of Doom
Should we add a header for TLP drafts that were previously sponsored by ban-evaders in Ban-Evader Example Rewrites? Or should we separately create a Ban Evader TLP Drafts sandbox?
Note that this would only be for active TLP drafts, since any launched drafts with additional issues beyond ban-evasive sponsors could be (edit: discussed and potentially) TRS'd or Unlaunched depending on the circumstances.
ETA: Edited for clarification.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 8th 2023 at 10:06:30 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
...Haven't we already agreed that such drafts would not be unlaunched? I think it's extreme overkill to send such tropes to the TRS. I mean, yeah, "additional issues" apply but I feel as though when it comes to launched tropes, the person who launched them should not be taken into account once they're on the wiki. Deal with the issues that are present, let's not get into the weeds of "also the troper was a ban evader". If the issues are severe enough in the first place, they'd be unlaunched or TRS anyway.
Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 7th 2023 at 12:49:06 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
The Draftsman of Doom
Jay, I said "with additional issues BEYOND ban-evasive sponsors", such as starving wicks and unaddressed concerns, if there are any.
This does not contradict the header:
- Launched Tropes.note
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Exactly. Nothing I'm saying suggests otherwise. Again, the sandbox or header is only a suggestion for active drafts, not ones that were launched.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 7th 2023 at 1:02:40 PM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Yes, my point is that there is no reason to even concern ourselves with who launched them. Once they're launched and if the launch was legit at the time, that's that. Hence why I disagree with making any sort of list of such tropes — it shouldn't matter at this stage. All that matters is if they have other problems.
Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 7th 2023 at 1:02:10 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
The Draftsman of Doom
Again, the sandbox or header is only a suggestion for active drafts, not ones that were launched.
I would only be making a list of drafts where the sponsor's ban-evasion was discovered before they could launch.
Respectfully, Jay, the point of the new header or sandbox is to possibly find new sponsors for viable active drafts, and discuss what to do with problematic ones.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 7th 2023 at 1:10:15 PM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Well, that's a completely different issue, so I'm not sure why unlaunching / TRS was brought up at all then. I guess we could make a list of these though as discussed before, TLP is very collaborative and so a draft is rarely ever going to be purely the work of the evader anyway... so I'm still unconvinced we need to worry about these things or that we even should worry about these things. "Finding sponsors" is not our job (people will adopt things if they feel like it and otherwise the drafts can just sink) and if they have issues, such issues would have to be discussed on the drafts as well.
Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 7th 2023 at 1:12:02 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
The Draftsman of Doom
If nothing else, I want to make sure the drafts in question are properly discussed.
I brought up the unlaunch/TRS thing as a "x is not included in y; we have z for that" kinda deal.
the Retromancer
this post specifically addresses drafts and not launched posts, so I don't get the confusion (unless it was very different before the edit).
Sandboxing sounds fine, but I'm of the opinion that they become U 4 G automatically and nothing else is really needed.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I'm pretty sure it was edited after I'd finished my comment. I recall it being different before, at least enough for me to have my confusion. (Edit: By timestamps, that's def the case)
Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 7th 2023 at 1:48:23 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
(she/her)
All we have to do if anything is let people know that draft is UFG by either marking it as such or commenting about it. I'd say that's a free action in any case.
Macron's notes
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
And with the updates Kory is pushing, the drafts could just be made UFG by a mod (if they don't go up automatically).
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
The Draftsman of Doom
I mean, we have already made note of CM and MB candidates cut for being proposed by socks in Ban-Evader Example Rewrites, so I don't see how a list of UFG TLP drafts in the same sandbox or a different one would be much different.
I'm easy, however.
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Fair enough. I suppose we can just take the drafts to the adoption drive or whatever.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 8th 2023 at 12:53:45 PM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Because as mentioned, the drafts are collaborative, while a CM and MB example is basically just a normal example added with more steps to the process, but ultimately it's still the ban evader's work primarily.
Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 8th 2023 at 12:52:18 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
(she/her)
Heryll was bounced for ban evasion because they shared geolocation, editing, and posting similarities with Fidor and another sock named Usterman
The Words Of Karras turned out to be a sock of Cooking Cat ban-evading.
Here's the edit history.
Edited by skan123 on Aug 16th 2023 at 7:05:41 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I discovered that TwistedWanderland was Jackpot21 ban evading based on geolocation overlap, IP overlap, and editing overlap.
Edit: A different mod discovered that the former's earliest activity continued where the latter left off by arguing with someone over Faux Action Girl (the last page edited under the latter account).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 20th 2023 at 1:57:25 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Per this ATT, Nicholas Mac is the latest sock of Spencer Collins 213447. Not much to revert but noting here in case they come back again.
Hi
Per this ATT, FlowerPicking was discovered to be a sock of UtterKoala. They've got a bunch of edits in.
Edited by Willbyr on Aug 25th 2023 at 5:09:18 AM
Musician/Composer
According to this ATT, samamohamed is yet another Sayaka sock. Their edit history is here.
Edited by gjjones on Aug 27th 2023 at 8:56:37 AM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Hi
I think I got them all reverted but I'd appreciate someone double-checking.
the Retromancer
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
...Well, I saw that one coming.
Should be an easy revert, they don't have many edits on that account.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Should I add the following to the header, under resolved and reworded?