My Little Pony: Cleanup Is Magic

A concern about AccidentalAesop.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic:

I was looking through the page for Accidental Aesop today, and its description is fairly clear about referring to situations where a work is not meant to contain any sort of Aesop, but viewers/readers/players/whatever see an Aesop in it anyway — see the intro sentence, "When a writer intends to simply write a piece of fiction without An Aesop but someone reads something into their work that they didn't intend".

Obviously that's not the case here, since the show's very explicitly Aesop-driven. What seems to be going on here is that these are examples of Alternate Aesop Interpretation, whose page also has a lengthy entry for the show. Since the first YMMV is "a work doesn't have an Aesop but the audience sees one anyway" and the second is "a work has an Aesop but the audience sees another one" it seems to me that they are mutually exclusive — you can't have a work that both has and doesn't have an intentional moral lesson. Since Friendship is Magic rather obviously does have intentional moral lessons, I think that AccidentalAesop.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic should be moved to AlternateAesopInterpretation.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic and incorporate the entries currently on the main Alternate Aesop Interpretation page.

Agreed.

The hold up is that we can't just copy them to the new page. They have to be reworked to explain the intended Aesop and why it's seen differently than intended. It's a lot to go through. Here's Sandbox.Alternate Aesop Interpretation My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic to start moving examples to.

Also there may have been some talk about TRS for Accidental Aesop and Alternate Aesop Interpretation.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Dec 4th 2022 at 1:05:11 AM

Over on the meta thread, people have been discussing how weird it is that Friendship is Magic's page has been locked for so long that it's a time capsule from 2013. Locked Pages says it was a vandalism target, but now that the hate towards bronies has largely died down, do you think that wouldn't be an issue anymore? At the very least, could we draft a more up-to-date rewrite of the description?

There is still brony hate online, but it's not at the same level it was back then. I don't think unlocking the page would be an issue. And I'm all for a rewrite of the now-outdated description.

I'm glad someone agrees with me. I'm too scared to go on the locked pages edit request thread because I'm worried I'll look stupid.

I think it's fine to ask, go ahead.

Locked Pages thread is 👈 this way. Remember to provide reasoning.

Posted there. Hopefully my reasoning was convincing enough...

I think it's unlocked now!

I checked, and it's currently unlocked.

I'm going to try my hand at fleshing out the description.

I'm trying to get back into cleaning up ShoutOut.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic: Should I bring the examples here or over to the Shout-Out cleanup thread?

I feel either thread works.

I'll have a look through it as well.

I do have a sandbox page for it here if you need some help.

YMMV.My Little Pony Equestria Girls Holidays Unwrapped

• Surprisingly Improved Sequel: Though there is a lot of debate on whether this movie stacks up with the other Equestria Girls movies, the general consensus is that it is way better and far more enjoyable than the infamous My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (IDW) Holidays 2014 Comic by a long shot, thanks in no small part to forgoing the horrible Cyberbullying plot that made that Equestria Girls holiday special so infamous and instead focusing on the Christmas season and portraying it in a optimistic light! Case in point, there is Manic Expression's review on this movie.
• Sweet Dreams Fuel: In a refreshing contrast to the painfully mean-spirited tone of the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (IDW) Holidays 2014 Comic, this Christmas special goes for a far more kindhearted tone thanks to its focus on the positive qualities of the Christmas season and is thus, at the end of the day, a very sweet special to sit through.

Both of these examples seem like backhanded complaining about the 2014 Holiday Comic, which this special is pretty disconnected from, being different mediums, having a different canon, and being years apart.

Speaking of,that comic should be added to the complaining cleanup page, since the YMMV page at least is filled with complaining.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:04:06 AM

I think the Sweet Dreams Fuel entry is salvageable, though I'd cut everything before "this Christmas special" and I'd remove "far more". However, I feel Surprisingly Improved Sequel is misuse since the comic in question isn't a sequel to that one.

This may only be tangentially related, but the pages for the other generations of MLP could use some cleanup, particularly G3. There are a lot of references to Fi M that really don't need to be there, having likely been put there by bronies with a bias. Each gen should get to speak for itself on its own page.

Yeah one thing I noticed about G5 especially is a lot of people comparing it to G4 saying "Sparky is just stupid Spike the Dragon" for example. Lots of complaining about Sparky Sparkeroni by the way from fans of G4 who feel he's just a watered down version of Spike, despite y'know being a literally just hatched Baby Dragon unlike Spike who was at the very least a young child about the CMC's age during the start of the series. G5's pages shouldn't have G4 comparisons either or too much They Changed It, Now It Sucks!.

Edited by Klavice on Jan 26th 2023 at 3:09:13 AM

Could you specify where you found these mentions? I had a quick look through the main and character pages for G3 and I'm not seeing a whole lot. There are a few, but most of the ones on the character seem to have been added as examples of Era-Specific Personality, which seems like fair use (although I'm also seeing some examples of Expy and Unrelated in the Adaptation that should properly speaking be moved to the G4 character sheets).

Most of the problematic entries are from the YMMV page. Some of the connections made to G4 there are appropriate (Hilarious in Hindsight, Retroactive Recognition, etc.) but there are a few that feel shoehorned in by bronies and Mr. Enter fans. I can go through the page trope by trope if we want. I suspect the G1 pages have similar issues, but I haven't looked at them closely yet.

^Oh, yeah, I should've thought about the YMMV. I'll have a look at in when I have a moment.

I can vouch for the main, recap and character sheets for the G1 TV specials and show, I've edited all a fair amount and they're in pretty good shape. I don't know what the YMMV pages are like, I don't really go to that namespace a whole lot.

Edited by Theriocephalus on Jan 26th 2023 at 10:50:16 AM

On the Recap page for Bridle Gossip, under Does This Remind You of Anything?:

Twilight's horn goes limp, and because of that she apparently becomes incapable of performing something she takes great pride in her prowess and stamina in.

I'm pretty sure that was just Accidental Innuendo.

I agree.

I think some amount of comparison to past shows is fair. Comparing them to future shows is not, though, excepting some very specific tropes, like "In Hindsight".

I think the poorly articulated point there is that Sparky, unlike Spike, does not speak and is basically only used as comic relief, whereas Spike, while a child, is a fully formed character who does more than just provide comic relief. Spike was more on the level of a 10 year old, his only baby-like moments were falling asleep spontaneously, which disappeared after season one or thereabouts.

Yeah, that's Accidental Innuendo (I assume the other trope is for making the innuendo on purpose?).

Edited by Redmess on Jan 27th 2023 at 1:54:27 PM