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Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 29th 2024 at 10:55:20 AM
Useful Note
~Solarius: Have you checked out the Settings page yet? Almost all fictional settings can be described by a combination of those tropes. In addition, you might want to check out the "Geography and world history" section of the Useful Notes page.
Edited by FSharp on Dec 18th 2023 at 9:37:13 AM
Welcome to Corneria!
Redmess
What is the forum policy on creating threads for shows that have had reboots? Should the reboot and the original have separate threads, or can they use the same one under a general name?
Optimism is a duty.
Lost in Space
We don't really care. And by that I mean it's up to the people in those threads to decide if the reboot or remake or whatever is sufficiently distinct to be worth forking off a conversation for it.
What we expect is that, if there are multiple threads, there is not a lot of crosstalk between them. So if we're discussing Nickelodeon's Avatar: The Last Airbender in one thread and the Netflix remake in another, the conversations should remain separate. I'm reminded of how often threads for individual MCU works end up discussing other ones, or the MCU as a whole.
Edited by Fighteer on Dec 23rd 2023 at 11:34:26 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
There is no problem with creating pages in English for works that haven't been translated into English, don't worry. I can thunk of a good number of works that have no official or fan translations in English and have pages in the wiki.
Use the original names in French; If there are names/terminology that you feel is important to explain what they mean in English, you could put in parentheses what they mean.
Edited by UchuuFlamenco on Dec 25th 2023 at 9:33:19 AM
the Retromancer
Would it be appropriate to make a thread for tech questions? There may be questions about the site's workings that aren't requests and don't fit into development threads. Or it's better to ask kory in private?
Edited by Amonimus on Dec 25th 2023 at 10:03:19 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Admin
If someone has a tech related question they can probably just ask it in the Changelog thread. Idk if it merits a new thread since we already talk about that kind of stuff in there.
Edited by kory on Dec 25th 2023 at 11:06:32 AM
Now monitoring Wishlist and Bugs
hey there
i realise this is likely hypocritical of me, but:
are there any rules against following a user's edits?
i have an editor who has been repeatedly checking my edits after i told them to stop being vitriolic in ATT; while i can take the l for indentation, i wasnt sure if there was a rule about following an editor for reasons that are not because of repeated mistakes
not sure if that makes sense: like, say, if there is a difference between "i noticed this user has grammar issues and i checked their edits, which revealed a long line of grammar issues and i'll keep an eye on them' vs a spat in ATT leading to one party following the others' edits around
v thanks, it's just a little concerning. they have only tried to nail me on indentation so far
Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Dec 29th 2023 at 11:08:38 AM
hail, holy queen of the sea, you're whirling-in-rags, you're vast and you're sad
the Retromancer
To me it sounds like that troper's private concern, if you're not violating rules do you have anything to fear? If they edit your examples because they seek an excuse to argue with you, then we could call bad faith editing.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Redmess
That does sound like there is an element of stalking involved, as well as potentially some vindictive motives over your initial comments. Feel free to ignore them if they become overbearing towards you, and if they don't get the hint, contact a mod about the issue.
Edited by Redmess on Dec 29th 2023 at 11:34:24 AM
Optimism is a duty.
A procrastination in of itself
My blind guess that is the exact line between what qualifies as a positive expression of collaborative responsibility and what qualifies targeted harassment would be determined on a case by case basis via contacting the mod team privately with details.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Face me now, Bitch!
So, I'm not sure where to ask this: Is the Us politics thread safe to be opened gain?
I was wondering, since its been a month, and felt a fresh start with more thorough rules, especially for an upcoming Us presidential election year, the thread should be given one more chance to be opened.
If not, then Sorry for asking. Thank you.
Watch Symphogear
Professional Forum Ninja
Based on what I remember, the admins and mods want to have the slow function and other mod functions working for the thread to open up.
I do think a US 2024 election thread should be opened up for that specific reason, both to keep people up on that and until the general politics thread opens back up.
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Redmess
You are correct, it won't be opened until the slow mode is fully implemented.
Optimism is a duty.
One-Track Mind (he/him)
Slow mode cannot come soon enough.
This is Idol Tap. (My Troper Wall)
I'm not sure if the intention is to have slow mode permanently enabled on the thread or only brought in on days when it's going to be needed (like the election), but the mods and admins have asked that we discuss that in the Self-Moderation thread in OTC.
I will ask do we have any indication on when slow mode will be implemented outside of this thread? I know it was mentioned as a technical limitation that it couldn't be applied outside this thread/section of the forum.
Redmess
The problem is simply that right now, slow mode needs to be hard coded into a thread. That's not something they want to go through every time they need to enable/disable it for a thread, so that is what they are working on now.
Optimism is a duty.
One-Track Mind (he/him)
That is, IF they're actively working on it. Might not be high priority right now.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Tech updates and changes are discussed in the Changelog thread, not this thread, so you'd probably be more likely to get a better answer regarding slow mode's progress in that thread. I don't know when slow mode will be implemented, but since there were two holidays recently, development has probably slowed down for a while.
Edit: The header for this thread didn't mention this (it only mentioned taking requests to Query Bugs and Query Wishlist without mentioning other types of tech discussion), but it was mentioned further up this page of the thread, so I amended that bullet point to mention the Chagelog thread.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 1st 2024 at 11:59:23 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
he/him
There was a recent proposal that all examples of Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard submitted by two particular tropers should be cut.
- In one case this was due to concerns about plagiarism and secondary sources (writing examples based on another wiki's information, not based on the work itself).
- In the other case there were concerns that the troper was misrepresenting characters and exaggerating or omitting things to shoehorn them into the trope.
Having talked about this a little within the mod team, we appreciate the concern this caused on the CM & MB cleanup threads. An awful lot of work goes into vetting each new example of those tropes, but — like most of the wiki — the process still relies on tropers following the rules and acting in good faith.
Decisions on these two cases have already been made. But if anything like this happens again, we'd like to use a more structured approach to support the cleanup.
- If a cleanup thread wants to review individual examples and keep or cut on a case-by-case basis, that's fine.
- If there is a wish to immediately cut all examples of one or more tropes from a particular troper (or cut all examples of a trope from a particular work/franchise), without reviewing them individually, then this needs a more formal consensus.
(The exception to this would be ban-evader edits, which already have their own reversion thread & policy)
As a default option, we'd want any "cut all without review" decision to be supported by a Crowner, with the usual rules and an ATT post to draw attention to the Crowner vote. It's acknowledged that this might not always be appropriate, though, so we're open to deciding this on a case-by-case basis.
The key thing is that the wider wiki community (and the staff) should have visibility of any decision made on this scale. If a cleanup thread identifies a problem and thinks that this sort of mass-cutting of examples is justified, mods should be hollered to start this process.
Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard
Well okay, was really waiting for formal consensus to pull them all anyway, but having this be the set standard could make future cases more easier.
MB Pending | MB Drafts | MB Dates
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
(Avatar by Coffee)
So as long as the "cut all examples by this troper" can't be done solely based on the opinion of those that frequent the CM or MB threads, this sounds reasonable to me.
The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
Goku Black
I also don't mind the crowner. More consensus is always good
I'm hoping this doesn't happen again. But just in case.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
So where would the crowner go? On the cleanup thread and mentioned at ATT?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Thank you very much, Amonimus !