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Again, why isn’t there any movement about the cut TP and RDC pages related to COVID-19? Why was it even brought up here at all? The cut pages should’ve been restored days ago the moment it was realized there was no consensus

There was consensus to cut them. What there wasn't consensus for was cutting without moving the examples to a valid location.

The unclear wording of the crowner choices contributed, since "Cut X" could be taken as "This page has nothing salvageable so purge it", and then the later addition "Move several of the content" added some more confusion by sounding like it was a different option...

nombretomado said a couple pages back: "It'd probably be best to pull them out, dump it into a Sandbox, lock the sandbox, and let the rest of this thread fiddle with if the examples are salvageable." There's those Wayback archives to refer to if the cut versions don't get restored after all or someone gets impatient to start sandboxing before then.

There was NO consensus to cut them. One person agreeing does not make consensus. The cut reasoning is an outright lie in the first place. ROCEJ wasn’t brought up ONCE before the cut. In fact, consensus says to restore the pages. They were created for reasons that were never directly disputed

Edited by UncontestedSequel517 on Apr 16th 2020 at 1:25:02 PM

Did you read the crowner? You should read the crowner. Even if the wording was a little unclear, the fact is people voted for them to be cut. The consensus issue came when they were cut without saving any of the information.

Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 16th 2020 at 1:53:26 PM

So, I'm planning to skim through the ConspiracyTheories.Zero To G sometime this weekend to see if there are any problems with this subpage. The community seems to be divided whether or not to cut out the conspiracy theories subpages. I probably would cut out content that either reinforces negative stereotypes of several racial, religious, sexual, and ethnic groups, or cut out the more controversial content that would cause Unfortunate Implications, but I'll have to do a thorough review on each subpage.

I think the idea was that this is a media wiki and there hasn't been enough time for conspiracy theories to leak into fiction, whereas other conspiracy theories have (such as the "Bush did 9/11" joke/conspiracy, etc.). There is no way that COVID-19 conspiracy theories have had enough time to leak into media so that we should have a page on those conspiracies. Other conspiracies? Maybe. But not those ones.

“People voted for it to be cut” does not equal “The consensus was for it to be cut”

“People voted for it to be cut” does not equal ROCEJ violation

ERGO, the pages were cut prematurely and therefore should be restored until a proper consensus is met

There was, in fact, consensus to pull all salvageable examples from those pages. Thus, if those pages were not cut then they would have been, at best, converted into redirects.

You do understand that, right? I mean, what you're doing is clearly misguided, but you're a broken record at this point.

Made the page to review the cut examples and determine their validity to be moved to work subpages.

On first glance, a lot of those Troubled Production examples are ZCE. They're simply a list of "This has been delayed because of covid-19", with no explanation of how that was announced/reported or specifics, ex. was this work in pre-production when it was put on hold, was it because of social isolation orders or theater closures or did a crew/cast member test positive, etc. to explain beyond "This thing has been delayed because of covid-19." Depending on how they're written, they could run into the Examples Are Not Recent problem.

Uncontested Sequel 517 essentially vandalized the crowner again. They changed one of the crowner items already voted on to be about restoring the cut pages. They turned this:

Edited by immichan on Apr 17th 2020 at 2:22:05 PM

A lot of the movie entries for Troubled Production would probably be better suited to Release Date Change. I remember reading that the Avatar movies were pushed back because — with theaters closed — nobody would be able to see them so there'd be no point in releasing them until theaters opened again.

I agree... changing the release date doesn't mean the production was troubled. And if the production was actually completed, well, there's no more production to be troubled...? Or I'm overthinking— point is I agree that some of the stuff doesn't seem categorized correctly.

I'm confused about No-Hoper Repeat. Is it being used correctly?

No, because the coverage of the pandemic isn't really replacing anything. It's just moving things.

I don't understand why people are saying the coronavirus subpages of Troubled Production, Release Date Change, No-Hoper Repeat, and Too Soon are should be cut and examples moved to their work subpages. Shouldn't they be in both places per Crosswicking? The real question in whether there are enough COVID-19 examples to justify separate subpages; TooSoon.September Eleventh exists because the main Too Soon page would be too long otherwise. Also, why is the sandbox titled Conspiracy Theory Subpages when it has nothing to do with conspiracy theories?

Covid 19 isn't a work, so it doesn't deserve a subpage. And if it has a subpage, the examples wouldn't be "crosswicked" to the other page; they'd be a subpage of the actual trope page. '

You can't have both, and this isn't a crosswicking situation, because like I said, you don't crosswick examples from a subpage to a main page.

Those were subpages of their respective trivia entries, just like ExecutiveMeddling.Western Animation. This example would go on ReleaseDateChange.Coronavirus Disease 2019 Pandemic, a subpage of Release Date Change:

• The Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba: Infinity Train movie was delayed from an April release to October 16th.

And this would go on Trivia.Demon Slayer Kimetsu No Yaiba (or the movie's trivia page if it gets its own page):

• Release Date Change: The Infinity Train movie was delayed from an April release to October 16th due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Edited by rjd1922 on Apr 20th 2020 at 5:59:35 AM

I thought you meant we should also crosswick them to the trope's page, like that example also going on Release Date Change.

Thing is though, those subpages still shouldn't exist; it's not a work or a genre or a medium with a ton of examples, there's zero reason not to just have those examples on the actual trope pages mixed with the others. Like I asked someone else, why separate the examples at all- are we trying to quarantine them? The reason we voted to cut and move the examples is partially because those subpages don't need to exist at all, and the examples are better off just kept on the actual trope pages.

Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 20th 2020 at 7:01:32 AM

Too Soon has a folder for "COVID-19 Pandemic Examples", sorted by medium with AC headers; should those just be sorted into each medium's folder?

Yes.

I think the crowner's safe to call, with a caveat: I don't know how we're supposed to interpret the "Move content from [subpages]" option in relation to the "Cut [subpage]" options when it comes to mutual exclusivity (or lack thereof), since both the former option and one of the latter options have decent consensus. I made the original incarnation of the crowner, but I didn't add the move option. Ideally, the various subpages would have had individual options for moving instead of being a single option, with those entries being mutually exclusive with the cut options I added, which is why I'm confused.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 22nd 2020 at 6:43:31 AM