English Localization Cleanup

I looked up images of the English manga covers and it's still unambiguously a plus sign. It's not stylized in any way to make it resemble the letter "t" — it actually resembles a Christian crucifix symbol if anything.

Edited by Karxrida on Jul 14th 2021 at 10:18:35 AM

I have a question regarding Namco × Capcom. Most of the character names use their original japanese names, even when some of the characters have appeared in the west under new names. For example, Hsien-Ko, Lord Raptor, Akuma, and M. Bison on these pages are referred to with their original names, Lei-Lei, Zabel Zarock, Gouki, and Vega. Is this because the game was never localized?

It looks like Sailor Fuku To Kikanjuu needs to get moved to an English namespace. Can anyone confirm if this was officially localized in any way? It looks like it was at least released with English subs.

Wikipedia uses the English translated name, but doesn't seem to clarify if it was ever released outside of Japan. Just that a subtitled version exists.

Yeah, I saw that. Should we mirror Wikipedia anyway?

Literature.The Legend Of The Condor Heroes should be at Literature.Legend Of The Condor Heroes

As pointed out on the page, the official English title of Dofus: The Treasures of Kerubim is Dofus: Kerub's Bazaar.

Manga.Torako Anmari Kowashicha Dame Da Yo actually has an english title - Torako, Don't Break Everything. Can somebody please take care of this? The japanese title is almost incomprehensible.

~sohibil

Is that an official English title?

By that I mean has the series been released in an English speaking country and sold under that title?

If not, the Japanese title takes priority.

As I explained in your ATT thread:

If Torako, Don't Break Everything is an official title, the swap can be made. If not, it remains Torako, Anmari Kowashicha Dame da yo

In the meantime, I took the liberty of creating that Torako! Don't Break Everything! redirect.

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 10th 2021 at 8:53:49 AM

As far as I know Torako, Don't Break Everything is the official english title.

~sohibil

I did a little searching but couldn't find any official English release of the series at all. No sign of it on Amazon, no indication of a planned English release, etc. I'd imagine something like that would come up in the first page or so of results but I only got the scanlation sites and occasional social media post.

It may be the accurate translation, but barring you finding something I didn't, it doesn't seem to be the official translation, using the definition used .

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 11th 2021 at 8:56:51 AM

I can't edit the page myself because of spoiler risk, but someone changed all the long vowels on Characters.KonoSuba.

What should be done about Namco × Capcom? I asked something similar last month, about why we were still using different names, but got no response. Should we use the original names since it was never released out of Japan, their english dub names, or the names used in the fan translation?

Haven't played it and its crossover status makes it weird, but for unreleased works (or parts of works) in translated franchises we generally use the translated names when they exist.

I just changed the names on the Namco × Capcom main page to the translated names, but I have a question about one character. Kurino Sandra was localized into Whirlo in Europe, as was his game, Sandra no Daibōken, but from what I heard on The Legend of Valkyrie, the European translation got rid of any ties to the games. The webcomic adaptation, Legend of the Valkyrie, does not use this name and has the character decomposited into two characters, Sandra and Krino. Which name should be used?

valkyrie expert here, the official english name from Namco Museum Vol. 5 and later installments is "Sandra". Whirlo was just a one-off thing and other english valkyrie material refers to him as "Sandra" consistently

It finally happened: The pages for Detective Conan have been moved to Case Closed. It looks like I'm going to need a new example of "never going to happen" moves.

Surprisingly, the wicks are already half moved over (or were already.)

Elfes et Nains (this page covers four different series in the same setting: Elfes, Nains, Orcs et Gobelins, Mages) has official English localizations: Elves, Dwarves, Orcs & Goblins, Mages.

The setting/'verse is referred to as "Les Terres d'Arran" ([1] [2] [3]), translated here as "The Lands of Arran". Though the Lands of Arran are actually part of a larger setting, "les mondes d'Aquilon" ("the worlds of Aquilon"). So I suppose the 'verse name could change in the future, but for now the logo says "Terres d'Arran".

Anyways, should the page be moved to Les Terres D Arran, Terres D Arran (since the logo is missing the "les"), or do we have a strong enough basis for The Lands Of Arran?

It seems that "The Lands of Arran" is the name used in English.

Did we ever get consensus to override the previous consensus to leave it at Case Closed?

There was no consensus to actively ignore the policy and keep it at Detective Conan. The only "consensus" ever reached is that no one wanted to take the effort. Now that the move has been made, there's no reason to change it back.

The same "claims of a consensus" problem exists with regards to other fandoms as well (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure first and foremost.)

Other tropers said there was an agreement a long time ago to keep the title at Detective Conan, but your guess is as good as mine where that discussion took place.

I'm pretty sure you can find it in the magical land of make-believe.

I'll be honest: it'd be a little easier for me to care about some of these "consensus" arguments if:

1. There actually was a consensus (with evidence a bit more solid than "my uncle who works at Nintendo said...");

2. The supposed consensus didn't directly contradict site policy and/or was rooted in weird moon logic;

3. The "consensus" argument didn't distinctly feel like it was being used as the fucking Sword of Damocles rather than a unifying, guiding principle;

4. The person who keeps bringing up "consensus" with regard to my actions acted like the same rule applied to them. I don't think messing with the titles in in the body text of Alice in Wonderland (JP) after failing to get much support for moving it to Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is really in the spirit of respecting consensus. ^{For the record} Look, I'm not married to the Ai W title but I wasn't all that eager to move the page I'd just moved simply because one person disagreed. If anyone else had moved the page to the AAIW title, I wouldn't have given it a second thought. Hell, I was willing to move it myself if multiple people wanted it done. But I find it rather galling how the matter was handled. When confronted with the issue, I gave my rationale for using the Ai W title and received no response or counterargument from anyone, so I assumed the matter was dropped. Much later, I saw the that same user griping that my explanation wasn't valid and saw that they unilaterally changed the text of the article when no one else spoke up in support. Even if the intent behind them was purely noble, how am I supposed to see these actions as anything other than a passive-aggressive hissy fit?

On a more general note, I admit that I don't actively follow this thread much anymore, largely because my efforts to participate in discussion or the associated cleanup have been met with what appears to be apathy at best and hostility at worst. Don't misunderstand; I'm not looking for compliments and I certainly don't expect help^Explanation That's not a dig on this thread specifically; I've noticed that trying to be recognized on TV Tropes is a bit like trying to get milk from a bull. In the unlikely event you actually succeed, the results aren't likely to be what you expect or want. And asking for help on this site is like trying to milk a photograph of a bull. :P, but it's hard not to notice when someone gets far more positive recognition for breaking site policy and moving a page back to its Japanese title than anything any of the handful of once-active cleaners have done over the last year or so. I think that says more about the state of this thread than I ever could, really.

Edited by HeavyMetalHermitCrab on Aug 26th 2021 at 7:50:17 AM

Which case specifically of someone moving the page back to the JP title are you referring to? Because there have been multiple...

...I think that just proves your point.