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This is a thread to discuss those Administrivia pages in need of a little updating- you know the ones. The ones that still cite rules we've long since changed, or the ones that don't properly cite our current standards. Some of them are even scattered in Main/!

So, this is the place to take those pages and fix them up with the help of the community.

For a list of current projects, see Outdated Pages.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 21st 2020 at 8:29:04 AM

WarJay77 Little Birdie from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Little Birdie
Aug 25th 2019 at 5:16:44 PM

That could definitely work.

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Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
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Aug 25th 2019 at 5:59:02 PM

I think as far as the ROCEJ, we have Prescriptive vs. Descriptive Language as well.

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WarJay77 Little Birdie from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Little Birdie
Aug 26th 2019 at 11:18:27 AM

Because it's 2 pages back, here's the link again.

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WarJay77 Little Birdie from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Little Birdie
Aug 26th 2019 at 11:49:55 AM

I edited it to be about Corrupt Politician and added the ROCEJ example. I think we're good here, if everyone else agrees.

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Aug 26th 2019 at 12:24:09 PM

im gonna make a youtube channel called boguslink just to mess up your fake link

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e: i fixed one instance of Sweet Baker you forgot to replace and added my ROCEJ thing to See Also.

Edited by razorrozar7 on Aug 26th 2019 at 12:31:28 PM

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Aug 26th 2019 at 3:18:14 PM

couple of other suggestions for See Also:

  • Not Self-Explanatory - No matter how obvious a trope name seems, it is not exempt from needing context. Even if you think it's obvious how it applies, write it out anyway; if it's really that obvious, it shouldn't take much effort.
  • Fan Myopia - Your favorite work is so amazing and popular that surely everyone will immediately recognize how this trope applies! There's no need for context, right? Wrong. No matter how popular a work is, there will always be people who aren't familiar with it. Write out the context for their sake.

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Short-Term Projects herald
Aug 26th 2019 at 5:04:56 PM

I'm still convinced that Not Self-Explanatory is redundant to this page.

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WarJay77 Little Birdie from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Little Birdie
Aug 26th 2019 at 5:11:56 PM

It may be, but if it is we can just remove that part later. I think Raz's suggestions are good, otherwise.

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Aug 26th 2019 at 5:36:21 PM

ill put them in in a bit, and alphabetize the list while im at it.

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Aug 26th 2019 at 6:19:59 PM

[up] I still prefer ordering by relevance, putting the ZCE cleanup page and thread at the top of the list.

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Aug 26th 2019 at 6:20:49 PM

fair enough. alphabetical after that?

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WarJay77 Little Birdie from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Little Birdie
Aug 26th 2019 at 6:23:15 PM

Works for me.

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No-lifer
Aug 27th 2019 at 4:22:10 PM

So what about getting Square Peg, Round Trope in the Administrivia namespace?

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Aug 27th 2019 at 4:34:00 PM

finally did that thing i said i was going to do and then forgot about.

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WarJay77 Little Birdie from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Little Birdie
Aug 27th 2019 at 4:56:54 PM

Okay, I think we're done, we just need to see if the mods will approve the swap.

As for Square Peg, Round Trope, that may also need mod assistance.

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Aug 27th 2019 at 4:59:25 PM

~nombretomado, you're the formatting mod, what do you think? courtesy link: Sandbox.Zce Page Rewrite

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WarJay77 Little Birdie from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Little Birdie
Aug 27th 2019 at 5:07:57 PM

To be clear, the reason I feel this rewrite is necessary is that the current page is clearly a holdover from when the wiki was in a much different place. What were common mistakes then are uncommon now, and I feel this version does better to reflect the current state of the wiki.

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States
No-lifer
Aug 27th 2019 at 5:33:16 PM

We do need this. The current version of the page makes no mention of the ROCEJ.

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nombretomado Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
Aug 27th 2019 at 7:49:58 PM

The page looks really, very well-done. Great job!

The only thing I feel should be used in the new page is a mention of the dialogue iteration of zero-context examples. Perhaps something like?

  • Corrupt Politician:
    Citizen: "How are you going to vote?"
    Anna: "Who's paying me this week?"

As the current page notes, this very rarely could be acceptable (probably caveated for Dialogue tropes), but is a ZCE magnet otherwise, and even in those cases is bad form.

Just a note that this will get run past the other mods first, before any swapping out. I don't think it'd get much editing, though.

WarJay77 Little Birdie from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Little Birdie
Aug 27th 2019 at 7:58:52 PM

Oh yeah, can't believe we forgot the dialogue type. That should definitely be added if it hasn't been already.

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Aug 27th 2019 at 8:02:31 PM

while we've got you here, ~nombretomado, id like to just make sure we have the staff's blessing to go ahead with this project and fix more of the Administrivia pages. there are numerous ones with issues. several of them are mentioned in the OP, and there are others as well, like Word Cruft and Square Peg, Round Trope being in the Main/ namespace when they should be in Administrivia, and Creating New Redirects being out of date. ~Septimus Heap told us that the mods don't bother updating the pages for every little policy change, but a lot of these policies have had a lot of little changes, and that adds up to big discrepancies. i think this thread makes it clear we're willing to help yall out with the work.

Edited by razorrozar7 on Aug 27th 2019 at 8:03:37 AM

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Aug 27th 2019 at 8:03:43 PM

~nombretomado, because i fucked up the ping

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nombretomado Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
Aug 27th 2019 at 8:06:28 PM

Go for it. It's certainly something I (and other mods) would like to do, but real life obligations + day-to-day modding doesn't leave much extra room. All the pages will pass through us, though (I doubt anyone though otherwise, but just putting it out there).

WarJay77 Little Birdie from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Little Birdie
Aug 27th 2019 at 8:09:00 PM

Quote variation added. [tup]

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nombretomado Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
Aug 27th 2019 at 8:13:53 PM

[up][tup]

Alright, giving the Zce Page Rewrite sandbox to the other mods to sign off.

Edited by nombretomado on Aug 27th 2019 at 8:15:20 AM


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