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The Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment exists to prevent tropers from making agenda-based edits or bringing up irrelevant controversial issues, but it's not always obvious if something breaks the rule or not. This thread serves the purposes of:

  • Getting consensus on cutting overly controversial edits.
  • Rewriting biased examples to be more neutral.
  • Pre-emptively clarifying if a possible example actually violates the rule, or if it's okay to add.
  • Making sure that the rule isn't just being used as an excuse to write a Zero-Context Example ("Some people think that X is Y, and that's all we have to say about it.")

See also the thread "Trump and ROCEJ" for the specific topic of tropers sneaking their political views (not just views regarding Donald Trump, despite the title) onto the wiki.

See Pages Attracting Edits That Promote Bigotry for pages that attract ROCEJ violations that are bigoted in nature.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 16th 2023 at 5:25:14 AM

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#851: Feb 9th 2021 at 6:21:46 AM

[up]I've heard Encyclopedia Dramatica can't be troped anywhere on the wiki but I might have misunderstood that. But if this is true, I highly doubt we can trope KF as well. Especially since they keep an eye on us...

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#852: Feb 9th 2021 at 7:15:56 AM

[up][up] Technically a valid example. The question is whether we want it.

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#853: Feb 9th 2021 at 7:52:06 AM

[up] I'd say no. That website is well-known as an alt-right harassment factory. The less of them, the better.

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#854: Feb 9th 2021 at 4:19:34 PM

If we don't mention Encyclopedia Dramatica then we definitely shouldn't mention the dollar store version of it.

Not overly familiar with the "P5-banned works being allowed on trope pages as long as the examples themselves are clean." but given that the examples are specifically about the words "retarded", "I HAVE AUTISM", and "Jews", then I don't think it fulfuls that criteria.

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#855: Feb 9th 2021 at 5:08:50 PM

[up] I don't think comparing this to P5 makes sense, because the wiki won't be demonetized for saying "Jews" or "retarded". The problem technically isn't the nature of the filtered words; it's the nature of the site that makes it untropeable.

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#856: Feb 9th 2021 at 5:57:18 PM

Yeah, I think it's best to not mention KF at all anywhere on the site.

(In fact, didn't they target us during the recent Yack Fest drama?)

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#857: Feb 9th 2021 at 5:58:30 PM

I mean, that one aspect of the site is tropeable. However, as others have said, we shouldn't be indirectly promoting a site like Kiwi Farms ever. I don't think comparing it to P5-banned works is a good reason to keep it either, since I'd honestly consider hentai or whatever to be more appropriate to trope (at least when it comes to the SFW stuff) than a website dedicated solely to harassing people.

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#858: Feb 9th 2021 at 5:58:38 PM

[up] Yeah, I would agree that we should ignore their existence.

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#859: Feb 9th 2021 at 5:59:03 PM

"Target" implies that they were doing anything more than pointing and laughing. Which they are always doing to every web site on the entire internet everywhere.

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#860: Feb 9th 2021 at 6:29:14 PM

[up] Ah, I see. I think I may have misremembered something about people getting directly harassed or doxxed.

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#861: Feb 9th 2021 at 6:33:46 PM

I mean, that is absolutely a thing the making fun of Sonichu fandom is willing to do. They just didn't do it here, to us.

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#862: Feb 9th 2021 at 6:41:50 PM

They did threaten it AFAIK but it might've just been a joke to scare us.

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#863: Feb 9th 2021 at 7:03:45 PM

And the more we talk about them the more joy they get out of it, so it's best to not even give them the dignity. Not sure what to do about the entry though. I personally don't see the site as worth promoting, but it is an example of the trope, so.

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#864: Feb 9th 2021 at 7:36:12 PM

I wanna know if there's any violations from this BaseBreakingCharacter.SCP Foundation entry:

  • SCP-3309, "Where We Go When We Fade, Fade Away". It is a very controversial article among established/veteran authors, as when it was first released many saw it as yet another example of a pretentious meta-focused article that relied on a "gimmick" (namely, the forum posts) to draw the reader in. In contrast, the majority of people inclined to upvote and praise SCP-3309 have tended to be newer members and contributors to the site, who appreciate how the article is a meta-reflection of the new author experience and the uphill battle an author must fight to get their first creative work to actually "stick" on the wiki.

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#865: Feb 9th 2021 at 8:42:59 PM

Well HELLO......

  • Episode 110: Dexter Banks, the director in "Creature Feature" sacrificing people to the Web, appears to be a parody of Quentin Tarantino. This is hilariously appropriate when you realize that the Web is the patron of spiders - Tarantino is serving the power with the most feet.

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#866: Feb 9th 2021 at 8:50:23 PM

[up] It's a parody of Tarantino and thus fictionalized, and the fetish stuff is practically Stock Parody Jokes for Tarantino, so I don't think it's necessarily controversial to make the connection.

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#867: Feb 9th 2021 at 9:09:07 PM

Though, you should probably get rid of the Fetish Fuel link and maybe explain the joke in case someone comes along who doesn't know about Quentin Tarantino and his foot fetish.

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#868: Feb 10th 2021 at 10:03:03 AM

This edit from VanossGaming & Company

"Mini Ladd, Lui Calibre and Ohmwrecker fans are completely DEVASTATED because of mini and lui allegations and ohm being a Hypocite. Fans of them are completely upset and lost trust on them."

I'm aware of why the user would add Mini and Lui, but I feel like Ohm is a personal opinion.

Edited by lolz6924 on Feb 10th 2021 at 10:04:42 AM

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#870: Feb 10th 2021 at 10:16:07 AM

Tropers/lwr3cky0U added that and similar entries. Their formatting and grammar is very bad. I'm on mobile, what item was this added under? I also have no idea what context this would work in as it seems to be a vague RL example that probably doesn't fit most audience reactions.

[down]Then nuke it cuz Tear Jerker is NRLEP.

Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 10th 2021 at 1:43:40 PM

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#872: Feb 14th 2021 at 2:11:33 PM

Quotes.The New Twenties has been made. It's primarily reflecting on how horrible these thirteen months have been. I'm not sure if we cut this or not.

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#873: Feb 14th 2021 at 2:13:28 PM

[up] Probably too soon to have the page; neither quote on the page is specifically tied to the decade anyway.

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#874: Feb 14th 2021 at 2:25:11 PM

And the quote about Dustin was added by a ban evader. We can cut that page.

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#875: Feb 20th 2021 at 11:29:56 AM

Hopefully this doesn't make me sound whiny, but there's this entry on DethroningMoment.Advertising that complains about not being allowed to say "retarded" as a slur and whines about "PC culture." Is this kosher?Also some rants about the entry's logic  The PSA itself sounds kind of cheesy, so they can definitely talk about why they hate it and its faulty logic, but do we want to encourage people to complain about the message that "retarded" shouldn't be thrown around like that? (Especially since it delves into that "I had a childhood experience that made this work suck for me" garbage that plagues DMOS.)

Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 20th 2021 at 2:30:52 PM

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