Where the point where we should just cut WorksNeedingTropes?

Moving from ATT since it was suggested.

Where the point where we should just cut Works Needing Tropes?

'Cause I found Literature.True Story, which I would put on there, and the description has tropes I can likely extract...

But why put in that effort, and not just cut it?

And then I was like, "Well, there's other works without any trope lists, that would fit that criteria...''

When should we put a work on Works Needing Tropes, instead of just cutting it until someone makes a 3-trope effort?

Like, Animation.Xiao Ming And Wang Mao and Characters.Xiao Ming And Wang Mao.

No trope list, tropeless, Creation edit, Characters page...

• Webcomic.Serious Times: Wicked from nowhere.

My 2 cents: works pages with no tropes are stubs and violate basic rules, and should be cut. The last folder (Useful Notes pages with no tropes) should also be removed from Works Needing Tropes, as Useful Notes generally aren't supposed to have tropes.

The rest of the page is ok, and is a useful list of works that technically fulfil requirements but need an Entry Pimp.

I agree.

There is a timeframe consideration to take in account. If a work is tropeless but has been recently created (by the History), then you can assume the creator might come back to it (although sending a Stub issue helper message is perfectly warranted).

If the article stayed tropeless for months or years, then the chance of it being moved beyond the stub threshold is slim, and thus it can be cutlisted without regret.

Also note, if the work is shown to have a few examples on trope pages (by checking the "Related" tab), it can be saved from its stub stat by a bit of crosswicking, even if you don't know the work personally. I've done it once, I think, although admittedly it's a rare case (stubs usually having very few wicks).

Edited by StFan on Apr 11th 2019 at 10:51:14 AM

Another possibility is that the work went under the radar because it had examples, but most of the examples were non-context. There's been plenty of times that, when eliminating the ZC Es from a page, we've ended up with less than three valid examples on the page. At that point, if no context can be found and no extra examples can be unearthed, we usually cutlist it.

If you guys wanna cut things, go ahead, you don't need my permission, at least.

No, but we do need to properly discuss these things. Thanks to bringing it to the wiki's attention.

I think we should follow the standard procedure: see the article's history, if possible contact the launcher, wait for a short period of time to let them add some tropes, perhaps "advertise" the article and ask for help, and if it leads to nothing, we should cutlist those articles.

It creates bad precedent. Many new editors understandably have "monkey see, monkey do" attitudes, so it's very hard to explain our rules about creating new pages (and zero-context examples).

Literature.The Legend Of The Seventh Virgin: Only linked from two indexes, has no tropes... Cut?

Creator hasn't been back since creating that page, either. I'm good with a cut.

/ Just cutlisted that page and the four other pages that troper made, all of which are stubs.

Literature.The Changeling has no examples. I looked at the history, and all the examples were removed in 2018 for being ZCEs. Page hasn't been updated since then.

Looked up summaries and added a few tropes.

Literature.Cockroach And Grasshopper

Running through Literature for title examples. Found this. Has no wicks and stuff.

That can just be cut. It was made almost exactly one year ago, and its creator never added any tropes to it.

Edited by Serac on Jun 8th 2021 at 5:18:08 AM

Found Animal Science while looking for Animal Title Index entries.

It's really short. Anyone know more about it? Or cut?

Bumping this to ask about the "creators needing tropes" section. I've made a lot of creator pages and never put much thought into adding an extensive trope list, since Administrivia.Creator Page Guidelines emphasizes just including trivia about their overall career and for works that don't yet have pages. And yet there's an entire section on "creators with less than 10 tropes". Since when do creator pages need to aim for a trope list at all, let alone 10?

That is the purpose of the wiki; collecting tropes. A better question is "What makes a Creator page a stub if Creator pages don't need a trope list?" I think a minimum of two published works in different continuities makes sense, but don't know what else would be required from actors/writers/directors/etc. If a three-book author managed not to use a single trope in all three works and each of the three had pages, then the only purpose I see for the page is an index... But that's a hypothetical that I rarely see in practice.

Podcast.Boyfriendsandroommates... Can't tell if it exists, has no link and no description...

Wicked from nowhere... Page Maker never did anything else relevant, except Podcast.Boyfriendsand That One Guy, which was cut for stub...

Made a YKTS.

Edited by Malady on Oct 25th 2021 at 3:13:31 AM

Was looking for 17 things for "Number of Objects" Title, found Literature.Seventeen.

1 wick, no examples, big description, unknown existence because too late for research binge. Cut?

Also mis-namespaced. It seems to be a Neon Genesis Evangelion OC Fanfic, (With possibly other continuities mixed in?) and the description notes that it's only available in Russian.

Found all the WebComic miscapitalizations, given these two out of twenty, I wonder how many probably should be cut.

WebComic.GuardiansoftheVideoGame to Webcomic.GuardiansOfTheVideoGame

WebComic.LiquidMercury to Webcomic.LiquidMercury - No Tropes

WebComic.Turt to Webcomic.Turt

Edited by Malady on Jun 9th 2022 at 3:11:30 AM

My Sandbox.Malady is holding Videogames while I check on them...

So, Liquid Mercury from above is fine to leave?

Videogame.Fractal Make Blooms Not War has possibly three tropes, depending on the relationship between Musical Gameplay and Variable Mix...

https://store.steampowered.com/app/61310/Fractal_Make_Blooms_Not_War/

Edited by Malady on Jun 10th 2022 at 3:43:58 AM

It has a character sheet with tropes that need to be moved over (haven't read them, but some of them are at a length that suggests they have context).

- Ah, right. I remembered then forgot about that.

Well, VideoGame.Lime Odyssey... It seems like one of the Canceled Video Games? Not that it's on any indexes...

...

Videogame.Vita Fighters... Delete or is it close enough to release to keep?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1727740/Vita_Fighters/

Probably not? Well, going to move to rest to Capitalization.

Edited by Malady on Jun 10th 2022 at 3:58:16 AM