Edit: I've created the index. So far I've added only those pages that have mandatory waiting periods already in effect.
It's been brought up in a few places recently (most notably in this ATT thread
) that we have a few tropes / Audience Reactions / etc. that have mandatory waiting periods before being added. The suggestion has been made— which I tend to agree with— that some sort of index to keep track of which tropes have waiting periods and what those periods are would be helpful.
Besides what's already on the index, we've got:
- Specific Mandatory Waiting Period Suggested:
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here as being too early to call on release weekend. Fighteer suggests a one-month mandatory waiting period on all similar "reception tropes."
- Overshadowed by Controversy - a 6-month mandatory waiting period has been suggested but not agreed upon yet
- The Scrappy - Due to its close association with Base-Breaking Character and its status as a complaining magnet, has been suggested for a 6-month waiting period in this thread.
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here
- No specific waiting period has been suggested, but adding it too early has caused problems:
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here that the below should apply to this as well
- So Bad, It's Good - Fighteer noted here that the weekend of release was too early to apply tropes like these
- So Okay, It's Average - see above
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here
Template tag for work pages:
%% Per Administrivia/NoRecentExamplesPlease, do not add [Trope] until [X] months/days/weeks after the episode's release (Month Date, Year).
Use this date calculator to add the amount of months/days/weeks in accordance to No Recent Examples, Please!.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NREP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 23rd 2024 at 9:41:59 AM
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I still don't think it's a problem as long as they're actual memes and not just statements. Plus, Biden was subject to memes as VP too.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
I'd like to agree with you, but the sheer scale of the misuse makes me a bit hesitant. I'd estimate something like 75% of the Politics and US Politics subpages and 95% of the Trump and Biden subpages are ZC Es, political statements trying to pass as memes, ROCEJ violations, or some combination of the three. I think people will be better behaved and the pages far easier to manage if we wait for the involved politicians to stop living rent-free in people's heads.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Aug 26th 2022 at 10:43:00 AM
I think four years would be fine, honestly. A lot of Trump's bullshit is memeworthy, annoyingly, and by four years we can tell which ones have staying power.
Angry babby
Nominating More Popular Replacement and More Popular Spin-Off for the six-month limit to avoid knee-jerk quality assessments. Maybe one month to be generous?
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Is this entry in reaction to a certain show about dragons inside a house? Oof, if that's the case, I feel six months after the initial release or after the season's end, whatever is later, would be appropriate.
I third this notion. The less knee-jerk of anything subjective, the better.
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Fourth the motion for me
Six months after the initial release or six months after the end of a season (whichever is later) would be plenty of time to ensure that there are no kneejerk reactions.
Tangentially, More Popular Spin Off needs to be alphabetized.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Sep 1st 2022 at 3:09:26 PM
Kirby is awesome.
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For the record this had nothing to do with GOT. It was actually prompted by an entry regarding a Broadway actress, which I thought about adding but felt was too early to do so.
Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 1st 2022 at 12:10:22 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Musician/Composer
About the Star-Making Role and Star-Derailing Role entries, do you guys think we should set a time limit for those tropes if it's needed?
Edited by gjjones on Sep 7th 2022 at 10:24:28 AM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
On the topic of Memes.Politics, it seems some people have put knee jerk examples relating to the death of Queen Elizabeth II.
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And on that note, Memes.Elizabeth II needs a new image, but that's a matter for elsewhere.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
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Honestly, I think it's better now.
With all the Elizabeth-related shoehorning going on, I'm going to finalize my request for a four-year waiting period for Memes/Politics to limit shoehorning like this and make it easier to distinguish between actual memes and knee-jerk reactions.
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
Four years is too short.
I prefer an eight-year wait for Memes.Politics.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Sep 10th 2022 at 11:05:20 AM
Kirby is awesome.
Funny thing is that I actually wanted an eight-year gap at first, but I had people say that was too long. Someone else suggested four, so I went with that.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Sep 10th 2022 at 10:18:40 AM
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Why not five?
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
Because four is the length of a presidential term in America, which is where most of the BS comes from.
Industrious Incisors
I saw a Game-Breaker listed for Splatoon 3's PvP (the main mode) and it got me thinking, isn't it too early to know if something's a game breaker in a competitive multiplayer game when the game's been out for not even a week?
SoundCloud
Someone added a pre-hidden Broken Base entry at YMMV.Cobra Kai for the recently released season 5. This isn't kosher right?
You are correct.
She / Her
That's right and I'd cut that.
~gjjones I think Star-Derailing Role could use a waiting period. Not necessarily Star-Making Role, that's usually more obvious.
As for how long the gap should be, I'm not sure. We could go with five years, which is the gap for Career Resurrection.
Edited by thecarolinabull01 on Sep 26th 2022 at 1:42:17 PM
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Star-Derailing Role should probably have a waiting period—the other Killer tropes already have them.
As for how long, I'd pick a larger amount. Careers can come back 10 years or close to 10 years after they die—Robert Downey Jr. for example.
Maybe 10-15 years? Unless that's too much.
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I think fifteen years sounds a little too long. Yes, they could make a comeback, but I don't think it matters that much. If they make a comeback, you'd simply move them over to Career Resurrection.
For example, Stillborn Franchise only has a five year waiting period to ensure that the work will likely only have one installment, even though there are works getting sequels made decades after their last installments. I know it's not a perfect comparison, but still.
I think five years is enough, but I guess ten is another option if others disagree.
Edited by thecarolinabull01 on Sep 26th 2022 at 2:22:18 PM
Can we put a limit of 8 years on Memes/Politics? That should shut down knee-jerk political-statement-poorly-disguised-as-a-meme entries, better preserve ROCEJ, and make cleanup much easier (it'll let us nuke the Trump and Biden subpages, where the vast majority of misuse comes from).
Edited by badtothebaritone on Aug 26th 2022 at 5:12:35 AM