1.8 overhaul or why did the site just change on me?

Don't think this has been mentioned yet, but line breaks in edit histories don't appear to be working. Everything's condensed into one big wall of text. See YMMV.Sonic The Hedgehog's most recent history for an example.

Windows 7, Chrome.

Edited by Primis on Jun 27th 2018 at 9:28:22 AM

I tried to add a trope on the Puyo Puyo page, and while the edit took it also hid every single trope after the one I added. No edits I've done trying to fix it work. The tropes are still visible in the edit window, but they don't appear on the page proper.

Another display problem summary post:

• Folders
• Quote spacing
• Quote indents. Quote indents in particular all display the same no matter what their actual indentation is, which in many cases makes quoted lines weirdly off to the left instead of properly indented under their example.
• Bullet indents. Indentation on second-tier bullet points looks wrong. Rather than there being a separate column for the white bullet point, the text simply wraps around as if the bullet were part of the paragraph. It's hard to explain it with words, but it looks ugly.
• Bullet spacing
• Image sizes, with borders
• No spoiler toggle on the sidebar (very serious; the toggle basically ended years of spoiler debates)
• Line breaks don't work properly
• Weird alphabetization on related pages
• Note tags are plain text
• (mobile Chrome) the first few options on the main menu are gargantuan and take up about an eighth of the screen each
• The arrows you press to navigate a thread only appear at the bottom of the page (previously they appeared at the top as well).
• Forum posts are no longer numbered.
• The number of the last page on a given forum thread no longer shows up.
• Indentation of numbered bullets is inconsistent with regular ones, and how much indentation there is seems to depend on a number of factors, including:
  1. The nested level of the numbers (#, ##, or ###)
  2. Whether a second-level list is under a first-level number or a regular bullet
  3. Whether the list is inside a folder or not.
  4. Now numbered lists are showing up as "a, b, c, etc" instead of numbers.
• The before and after boxes in History are way to near each other, some text I've seen also goes outside the box as well, they need to be expanded a bit.
• (Firefox) Cursor disappears in text box for PMs and editing.
• (Firefox) Using the find function (CTRL+F) on a page with folders will find text inside the folders even if they are closed, making it difficult to find anything.

Anything else? And try to include your browser and OS.

Edited by Discar on Jun 27th 2018 at 9:26:34 AM

x8 @catmuto:

That sums up my feelings on the new folders exactly. They don't stand out from the rest of the page like the originals did, making it visually harder to tell if there's a folder there or not. It's just another inconvenience and poor aesthetic choice that seems to be the running theme with this new layout.

I think this "update" is best summed up by the link to this discussion in the bulletins not even working properly.

Edited by FF00FF on Jun 27th 2018 at 9:26:06 AM

See the above. Windows 8, using Chrome.

Edited by PhiSat on Jun 27th 2018 at 10:27:56 AM

I'm just compiling display issues, not wiki-breaking bugs. The mods are compiling those.

The preview button doesn't seem to be functioning on article pages, but it works fine for forum posts such as this.

"mark all as read" is now forum-breakingly buggy. Not only I've had a bunch of disturbing cases of having the confirm dialog replaced by another, but like a minute ago I tried to mark OTC as read and it marked the whole forum. No wait, I thought so but it turns out it didn't do anything, I mistook the lack of green checkmarks for the entire forum being marked as read.

Edited by Medinoc on Jun 27th 2018 at 6:42:24 PM

One thing I do like about the update is that the “save edit” button is always on the screen while editing instead of being below the editing field (at least on mobile). I truly believe that’s an improvement.

I have the Folders open setting enabled yet the folders aren't open when I load the page

Another display issue found: when Night Vision is turned on, the white text and light bars for "Header" and "WMG" headings, as well as newly posted forum comments I've made, make them practically unreadable.

I also find the massive editing space unwieldy, as it requires scrolling through two spaces, with the editing bar getting in the way now that it's laying directly over where I'm trying to type.

Yeah, but by the same token the timer that tells you how much editing time you've got left isn't always on the screen anymore — you lose view of it once you scroll down any amount and have to scroll back to the top of the page to check how much time you've got before the edit lock. When you only have a finite amount of time to write in your edits, not being able to keep track of how much time you've got left without having to scroll all the way back to the top of a potentially very long page and then all the way back to where you were editing isn't a very helpful thing.

I agree that having the save button always on hand is a very nice thing, no question there, but all the same I can't say I think the new editing interface is a terribly convenient one.

Edited by Theriocephalus on Jun 27th 2018 at 11:54:39 AM

I'm getting logged out again and again, and I'm getting the same issue in previewing edits.

Here are some couple things I've noticed when browsing the pages of Granblue Fantasy (which I currently am focused on). Although these may have already mentioned in the seven backlogs on top, some may be redundant.

• The last entry of a bulleted list has little spacing compared to the rest, while in the source code, there is a line break. I guess a second level heading (!!) has something to do with it.
• Apostrophes disappeared from trope names! (i.e. Cant Drop The Hero or Chekhovs Gun)
• IIRC, second-level bullets are supposed to indent the lines past the first one, Check the last entry of the page's Color Coded Item Tiers. It looks as if the last bullet forms a new paragraph. If the first-level bullets can wrap paragraphs properly, then it should also apply to the inner bullets. Of all the formatting changes, this is the most jarring one IMO.
• The Awesome, Awesome Music, Funny, Heartwarming, and Tearjerker now have pink headers on top? I believe the previous theme had more variety when it comes to these Sugar Tabs' colors.
• On the Ho Yay Tab, Les Yay folder, there is a white strikethrough on the seventh bullet
• Editing a page, then clicking Back from the browser will immediately lock the page. Clicking the locked Edit button does nothing.
• I don't know if it's just me, but some links to other works have been "redirected", accidentally making red links on the referencing page.
• The Nightmare Fuel tab says "This page has not been indexed". I double-checked the Nightmare Fuel > Video Games page, and Granblue Fantasy is listed there.
• Check the Quotes tab, first level ("Songs") and second level ("English Vocals") headings have the exact same text formatting.
• The WMG Headings are now in plain text format (same size as the normal text, and no longer in bold)
• The image in the Main Characters page now floats to the top-right, just because it is written above the headings in the source code.
• For some reason, in here, the "open / close all folders" control appears in the middle of the page, just beside the sixth folder.
• A lot of the images used in the Character pages became smaller.

I won't be making any edits to this site unless the problems are fixed...

I'm using Win 10 Chrome...

Edited by DanteVin on Jun 28th 2018 at 1:19:04 AM

I only just realized that you can adjust the size of the edit box when editing a page. Not a bad idea, but I feel whatever determines the default size is faulty when it comes to longer pages. While testing this out on YMMV.Sonic The Hedgehog, it took about two minutes to get the edit box to a reasonable size. I like the idea on an adjustable edit box, but there needs to be a set default size that's not so cumbersome.

On a related note, the size adjusting icon could stand to be a bit bigger. Right now, it's just a series of tiny pixels arranged as a triangle on the bottom right corner. It's fine when making posts on forums, not so helpful trying to find it on an page with hundreds of entries.

I'm not sure if this is the place to ask about this, but... along with all the problems with this update, I'm wondering why there hasn't been a "report troper" button added? IIRC, you currently have to go to "Ask the Tropers" to report somebody, when I think it'd be much easier for all involved if you could go to a troper's profile and click a "report" button, maybe fill out a form?

~Adele Potter: Because monkey don't see, monkey don't do. If you make a form to report tropers privately, people won't use it because they aren't aware that problem tropers have to be reported. Or that problem tropers have indeed ... problems.

I have no idea if I’m stuck in the mobile view or if for some reason the desktop view looks like a worse version of the old mobile view, but there’s no option to change the view as far as i’m aware of. Also, the size of this thread at less than two full days is one way of telling that many people have issues with the changes that have been made. And while I know saying this probably won’t help, I really wish the old version could come back at least until the actual bugs have been mostly worked out so that I can at least tell myself that it “only looks bad” instead of “it looks bad AND is super broken”

also, saving drafts for thread posts is still messed up. turned I’m into IP and stopped after that even though I had gotten further than that.

So far the only issue I have is slight lag while editing, and the placeholder name. Otherwise I haven't seemingly had that many glitches or bugs. So my only real problem is that the website looks more messy now, and that the old one (From an aesthetic standpoint) looked better IMO.

I keep getting logged out every time I close my browser. (I'm using Microsoft Edge on Windows 10, btw)

Still unable to log in on Safari, but Chrome is fine.

Yet another bug: redirects don't work. (Already reported)?

Folders aren't open by default like they used to be, even though my profile has the setting in question. (I think showing spoilers works, though).

Also, I don't like the new look for indexes on pages, it's pretty ugly and (more importantly) doesn't even look like an index bar.

Edited by Lymantria on Jun 27th 2018 at 1:34:05 PM

A lot of effort was put into this update

No, really, so what? There is such saying in my country - "Hell is paved with good intentions". Just because someone worked hard on it, doesn't mean it's good. Quite the opposite. Considering the amount of work this update clearly required, it's just baffling how incompetent it is in communication, implementation and anything even resembling beta-testing, before making a massive, all-in overhaul.

And beating the dead horse: don't have money? Start the bloody Patreon or KS project or whatever the cool kids do those days.

Whoever suggested Patreon: it’s unlikely that could raise something close to what would have been needed, especially long-term. And lower costs might also mean less ads or a different ad provider where they’re less intrusive. Maybe... I hope.

I noticed this site just went through a major overhaul change today. Lots of properties have changed.

However, due to this change in the website, I can't upload images onto the site like I used to, due to the image uploader being broken. So instead, whenever I press upload image while in edit mode, it just opens into a new window with my image. Could you please fix this glitch for me? Please let me know when you do. Thanks again.

Edit button is locked for now huh?