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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#1: Mar 21st 2015 at 12:52:51 PM

Implausible Fencing Powers is kind of a mess. It's basically a supertrope, but not organized as one — instead it's a mish-mash of specific subtypes. It has seven "common variations", and then eight reasons why swords as seen as better than guns (which doesn't even seem to be part of the trope, so why is it there?).

I propose we revamp the trope description, spin off any subtropes as necessary, and generally start treating it like a supertrope (ie, examples go in subtropes if they fit there specifically).

For the record, the seven variations listed are, basically,

  1. Deflecting bullets. There's no actual trope for this that I've been able to find (closest is Bullet Catch), but there totally should be.
  2. Dodge the Bullet
  3. Defeat by Modesty via deliberate Clothing Damage without actually hurting the other person (which seems... oddly specific)
  4. Sword Beam (possibly via Razor Wind)
  5. Diagonal Cut
  6. Using a BFS
  7. Clean Cut at Super-Speed

I can write a cleaned-up description, but I wanted to check with folks that they thought it was necessary and what exactly should be included in the new description before I did.

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DAN004 Chair Man from The 0th Dimension Since: Aug, 2010
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#2: Mar 21st 2015 at 3:52:39 PM

I would agree with everything you said there.

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#3: Mar 21st 2015 at 3:58:20 PM

I third the OP's suggestions.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#4: Mar 21st 2015 at 4:42:43 PM

Defeat by Modesty is really an element to the real subtrope Intentional Harmless Clothes Slashing which happens a lot like Zorro but isn't Defeat by Modesty as that could be anything. Or actual Defeat by Modesty by something else such a clothes destroying laser beams or even if their clothes get slashed they could just fight on naked.

edited 21st Mar '15 4:44:50 PM by Memers

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#5: Mar 25th 2015 at 11:27:37 PM

Sandbox.Implausible Fencing Powers is up for your perusal.

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#6: Mar 26th 2015 at 7:55:26 AM

I've really always thought Deflecting Bullets with a Sword really should be its own trope.

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#7: Mar 26th 2015 at 7:56:21 AM

Deflecting/cutting, sure.

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#8: Mar 26th 2015 at 9:49:35 AM

The sandbox looks good.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#9: Apr 9th 2015 at 10:19:17 PM

YKTTW's now up for Parrying Bullets, Cutting the Beam, and Ludicrously Precise Strike.

edited 9th Apr '15 10:19:36 PM by NativeJovian

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Rjinswand Since: Apr, 2015
#10: Apr 10th 2015 at 9:47:43 AM

I agree with making it a supertrope.

Galacton Since: Sep, 2013
#11: Jun 6th 2015 at 7:11:11 PM

The sandbox looks so much better than the main page. The main page sounds like it's trying to talk about three different things at once, goes off topic, and can only really be fixed if you cut all the extraneous stuff.

DAN004 Chair Man from The 0th Dimension Since: Aug, 2010
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#12: Sep 22nd 2015 at 6:59:39 PM

Bump?

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#13: Oct 7th 2015 at 10:50:36 AM

The YKTTW for the new tropes that this TRS pretty much relies on stalled, which is why we haven't made any progress. I tend to have miserable luck with YKTTW for some reason, so if someone else wanted to take those over, that might be for the best.

Also, for the record, I made myself laugh with the "examples" at the bottom of the sandbox page. I totally forgot that I did that.

edited 7th Oct '15 10:57:05 AM by NativeJovian

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#14: Oct 8th 2015 at 7:28:00 AM

I can try. Real Life will be getting in my way for the next several weeks, but my tvtropes time should pick up after that. My pet obsession has a variety of Implausible Fencing Powers examples to draw from.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#15: Dec 15th 2015 at 12:58:44 PM

Whoops, I just noticed that this is still in limbo. At this point, I'm tempted to just swap out the page with the sandbox and comment out the redlinked proposed tropes until they launch (if they ever do).

What say you, TRS?

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HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#16: Dec 16th 2015 at 5:44:07 AM

The proposed subtropes will likely have more luck in YKTTW if you port over the applicable examples from the original page. They mostly have their descriptions square, but they're unlaunchable without their example sections filled out.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#17: Dec 16th 2015 at 5:22:16 PM

Good idea. Done and done.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#18: Dec 31st 2015 at 10:31:24 AM

Ludicrously Precise Strike (since renamed to Ludicrous Mêlée Accuracy) has been launched. Parrying Bullets and Cutting the Beam (since renamed Cutting Through Energy) are both at five hats and will launch later today unless someone raises an objection in the meantime.

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#19: Dec 31st 2015 at 10:39:48 AM

Awesome. Sorry I haven't kept up with this.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#20: Dec 31st 2015 at 8:54:26 PM

Parrying Bullets and Cutting Through Energy also launched.

We can swap in the sandbox for Implausible Fencing Powers whenever, but we're going to need to go through and fix wicks and examples when we do.

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Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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#21: Dec 31st 2015 at 8:55:57 PM

Oh sweet, progress.

Cutting Through Energy is supposed to be a subtrope, right? If so, it needs to be in the sandbox.

edited 31st Dec '15 8:56:11 PM by Karxrida

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#22: Dec 31st 2015 at 9:11:36 PM

Ah, right, good point. Cutting Through Energy is what came out of the YKTTW for Cutting the Beam, and Ludicrously Precise Strike similarly became Ludicrous Mêlée Accuracy. I've updated both in Sandbox.Implausible Fencing Powers.

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#23: Jan 1st 2016 at 9:06:09 AM

The sandbox looks good; I took the exclamation point off Diagonal Cut as none of the other entries were excited. The only further suggestion I'd make would be to alphabetize the subtropes.

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#24: Jan 1st 2016 at 10:57:03 AM

[up] Done that.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#25: Jan 19th 2016 at 8:44:38 PM

What else do we need to do with this one? Move the sandbox to the main page, purge all the examples but the "multiple types" section, and then start working on wicks?

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