Ok, per mod decision, the purpose of this thread is to scrutinize and clean up pages about web sites. Other Sites, especially, has become a catch-all for "my favorite web site that I feel like pimping."
THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS:
- A Web Site Is Not A Work For Troping Purposes: A website can contain tropable content, but the site itself does not automatically have a place with us simply by existing.
- A Web Site That Is Not Tropable Can Sometimes Be Repurposed: It may have a place as a Useful Notes page, or serve as an index if it hosts a lot of works that we do trope.
- User Antics Are Not Tropable: Trolls, mod decisions, forum drama. Such are Troper Tales and sources of spiritual decay. They must be purged, even from acceptable pages.
- User Created Content Is Potentially Tropable: But most of it has its own categories already, such as Game Mod, Fan Fiction, or Journal Roleplay.
Put pages you believe should be completely cut in the crowner at the bottom. If you believe a page can be saved or migrated, make a post with details. Other Sites contains the primary targets right now, but any page about a web site should be scrutinized
edited 25th Sep '14 4:44:44 AM by DracMonster
Blapper of Water
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You seem to think that I know anything about that work? I don't. If a fan or someone wants to come in and edit the page, that would be awesome. But I won't be doing that any time in the next millennium.
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Still, it's surely more tropable than many other websites discussed in this thread. Even if we cut it, someone could properly recreate the page later and that'd be perfectly okay, since the website is tropable.
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The stories on the website are tropable. Websites in and of themselves are not. And yes, if the article can't be done properly, then it should be cut until someone comes along who will do it right. Otherwise it just encourages bad habits.
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Super Mario Wiki seems like it's troping the users.
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Blapper of Water
Yeah, Super Mario Wiki's first trope is an Administrivia page. The only tropes I can imagine being not user-specific are:
- Encyclopedia Exposita
- Exactly What It Says on the Tin (which is misuse and so an invalid entry anyway)
- Early-Installment Weirdness (possibly misuse)
- Running Gag (if we're being charitable)
Regarding Bulbagarden, there's a similar problem, though it isn't as blatant as using Administrivia pages. There are "averted" examples, so those can probably be deleted outright if not revised to be subversions or something.
Edited by WaterBlap on Dec 21st 2018 at 9:54:15 AM
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
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Law Of Wiki Expansion is also valid, and Department of Redundancy Department could be if it had more context.
Blapper of Water
I edited the Mario wiki page. There's only four tropes remaining, after accounting for ZC Es being commented out. Of note is that this page has brought the wiki over a thousand inbounds.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
Early-Installment Weirdness also fails Weblinks Are Not Examples. I'm not really sure what's so weird about that page, and the description given doesn't help at all.
Bumping this to request that We Hunted The Mammoth gets deleted. The sole purpose of that page is to describe David Futrelle's political views and apply NRLEP tropes to RL individuals and groups. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of agenda behind the page's creation.
Lost in Space
I agree. He isn't publishing creative content, so we can delete the article completely.
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Trashing that page.
We should probably trash the current crowner too since most of it's been replaced by gibberish.
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The entry histories are still there, so you should be able to copy the old text and paste it there.
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Buffistas.org is an extreme stub that seemingly only exists to tell people it's where TV Tropes originated. Also, it looks like strikethrough was disabled in crowners; it now causes the text not to show it up at all, which is how it currently works on wiki pages. I think it should be kept in crowners.
Edited by rjd1922 on May 29th 2019 at 12:52:51 PM
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Lost in Space
It's a documented part of our history. It stays, and we aren't going to discuss that further.
From Ask The Tropers, Trollpasta Wiki refers to a site that was taken down by Wikia, but apparently reemerged under a different name. That's not my primary concern with it, though. As I said in ATT
, the article is very low quality: half Auto-Erotic Troping and half Weblinks Are Not Examples. It needs a major quality upgrade or it needs to be chopped for violating our rules.
Edited by Fighteer on May 30th 2019 at 7:13:10 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
That's a good point regarding the Trollpasta Wiki page, and after taking a closer look at the page, I'll toss in a vote in favor of cutting it. (That page quote's begging for a "tl;dr" response.)
I previously directed the creator of the We Hunted the Mammoth ATT query here (I posted a link to this thread there), so I'll cross-reference that here and say I'm in favor of cutting it.
Edit: Should Trollpasta Wiki be added to the crowner? I'm holding off on it for now in case further posts say anything regarding whether it's salvageable.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 30th 2019 at 7:21:00 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Speaking of Pixiv, the DeviantArt page could use a look at, mainly for the huuuuuge description. It also has a Fanfic Recs page that redirects into gushing about art on DA called Deviant Art Recommendations.
Deviant Art has a reputation for deleting artwork that they find to be risqué or outright pornographic, a great irony considering the site's name (and the fact that a good-sized portion of the artwork that doesn't get deleted is still pretty risqué) and the "Artistic Nude" category. Not-too-un-relatedly, it also has a infamous reputation for being allegedly populated by furries, oversized egos, inflation, "vore" and bad fanart. There's even a game about making a search with at least two words or more and trying not to find Mary Sues, Naruto, Anime, Comics, Manga, Sonic the Hedgehog, Overwatch, Transformers, My Little Pony, Five Nights at Freddy's, Undertale or certain popular modern day cartoons. All in good fun of course, and the fanart/"creepy"-art-to-"normal"-art ratio is not as high as some parts of the Internet may claim. Nevertheless, it's still widely derided for the tons of Rule 34 art that avoids deletion by playing to various fetishes, and the site's become the butt of many jokes relating to such imagery. It is also rather infamous for occasional bouts of paralyzing bugs. Trying again shortly never works.
Deviant Art also has a reputation for how many people think there should be a "Quality Control", however, because "Quality" is extremely subjective, a lot of peoples' "Quality Control" wouldn't be to remove poorly-drawn work from the site, but to remove entire genres of art that the people don't like from the site in general. It's also known for blocking criticism from some art, meaning you can be banned for criticizing the art. However, this was put in place due to the amount of people who didn't seem to realize that Constructive Criticism has to be constructive and were flat-out insulting the artists personally or mocking the work. It extends to people who don't want to hear criticism at all; constructive or not, but you do hear people who want critique on the site and specifically request it. As you could tell by us locking away the YMMV namespace for this site, it was that ugly.
Other communities that offer a similar focus include Pixiv, which is essentially a Japanese counterpart of Deviant Art and tends to have less censorship regarding suggestive themes and is limited to just drawings and literature, so sorry, photography fans. Concept Art.org is for people who actually make a living drawing all day and will eat you alive if you're not prepared to take criticism (the real kind). Elfwood is an older fantasy art gallery that Deviant Art may have been later inspired by, and had its own share of backdoors drama in its heyday. Cghub.com was a site purely for professional artists, but effective censorship of suggestive pictures was sacrificed in exchange for a massive amount of truly talented work (for those interested, archived snapshots of several artists' pages can be found online).
Check out the Deviant Art Recommendations page here or our Tropers group we have over there!
Also, on an interesting off note, this wiki had an It Just Bugs Menote page for Deviant Art before the site had a work page, which, needless to say, is something very uncommon.
Edited by lalalei2001 on May 30th 2019 at 6:28:45 AM
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I added Buffistas.org to Works Needing Tropes.
Edited by rjd1922 on May 30th 2019 at 8:35:20 AM
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Lost in Space
There shouldn't be any tropes on DeviantArt, since it is not a creative work in and of itself. There should also not be any recommendations attached to the article, since the Fanfic Recs namespace is to list fanworks derived from the work described in the parent article. Unless people are creating fan art about DA itself, those entries are irrelevant and inappropriate.
Fan art recommendations should go on the Fanfic Recs subpages for the works that they are based on. If they are not based on any work, then, well... they should be cut. We aren't an art catalog. I'm sorry if people get upset over losing the effort, but we can't use that as a standard or we wouldn't delete anything.
Edited by Fighteer on May 30th 2019 at 10:06:59 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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Would moving it to Just for Fun be an option?
Lost in Space
Maybe. I'm of the opinion that dealing with problematic things by shoving them into Just for Fun is not a tenable long-term solution, but if you're that determined to save the content, it's as good a place as any.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Since a downvote can already indicate a vote in favor of the page being salvageable, I went ahead and added the Trollpasta Wiki page to the crowner.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 31st 2019 at 5:06:55 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
So after posting in ATT, I was advised to come here and ask if the recently created page for Dr Nerdlove belongs in the wiki.
The site and videos don't deal at all with fiction at all and Fighteer seemed to agree on this.
Edited by matruz on Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:12:02 AM
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Why not add specifics then?
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