Hmm ... this
customizer isn't working, yet.
Right. That won't be turned back on until we're sure the existing customizations are being served correctly.
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Well, the redlink issue doesn't show up in forum threads anymore. As for custom titles, I can see them as well, in forum posts.
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Fast Eddie, can you please explain how the new customizer works?
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The big change is that the wikiword will be serviced the same way in all namespaces. That is, it will be marked blue if it exists in any namespace and customized in every namespace. Each wikiword only needs to be customized once.
There are also technical changes that make it work faster.
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Grand Exhausted Poobah
Does this also fix the problem with the CamelCase namespaces (Web Video/, Video Game/, etc.)?
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Yup.
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The new customizer/redlinker is installed everywhere, now. If we don't have any issues crop up in the next 12 hours or so, the customization request page will be turned back on.
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Redlinker doesn't seem to be working properly in YKTTW; lots of links are showing up as blue even when there's no page at the link in any namespace. (See, for instance, every occurrence of Berate and Switch and the other suggested names in the comments in this draft.)
In uffish thought
If a page has nothing but redlinks, then they all show up blue. That's the only issue I can spot currently.
edited 10th Sep '13 12:39:35 AM by Telcontar
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
The only issue I have re: the customizer is: What if page A in namespace A needs a different title than page B in namespace B with the same title as A?
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The above is indeed one possible problem that can crop up with the new system, although it should be rare.
There exist, nonetheless, pages with basically the same title, just spaced differently, like Film.Goon and Series.Go On.
In the worst case, I guess we can split articles with a disambiguation element, like date or country, like is done sometimes with other Similarly Named Works.
edited 10th Sep '13 4:27:47 AM by StFan
^Super-rare case. As you say, adding a date or director in parens should clear it up.
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When this gets implemented, The Ptitle Replacement System and How to Make a Custom Title will need a bit of rewriting.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Yup. Good eye.
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I'll wait with a rewrite proposal until the system goes live (I also wonder if the two pages are redundant but that would be a separate issue...).
Otherwise, the only other issue with this rearrangement is that allowing links pointing to wrong/unoccupied namespaces could encourage bad wicking.
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Lost in Space
Once we get a more robust subpage system, namespace collisions should become a thing of the past anyway. Hopefully.
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That isn't the problem I was citing, the problem would be e.g linking to Somework when Somework isn't the page but Namespace.Somework is.
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Lost in Space
I think the bluelink only happens (or only should happen) when the link is to the Main namespace. Otherwise you'd get a lot of weirdness.
- Lord Of The Rings
- Main.Lord Of The Rings
- Literature.Lord Of The Rings
- Hoopledoop.Lord Of The Rings
- Burglesnatch.Lord Of The Rings
- BoppyDoppy.Lord Of The Rings
Well, I am wrong. The last link takes you to the auto-disambig. I'm on the fence as to whether this is an improvement or not...
edited 10th Sep '13 10:19:46 AM by FastEddie
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In uffish thought
edited 10th Sep '13 10:44:51 AM by FastEddie
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
Lost in Space
- Lord Of The Rings
- Film.Lord Of The Rings
- Lrod Of Teh Rings
- Film.Lrod Of Teh Rings
- Film.Airpalne
- Airpalne
Yep, still a problem. The first instance of a particular nonexistent title is not properly being redlinked. The issue is namespace-independent.
edited 10th Sep '13 10:47:37 AM by FastEddie
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
- Lord Of The Rings
- Film.Lord Of The Rings
- Lrod Of Teh Rings
- Film.Lrod Of Teh Rings
- Film.Airpalne
- Airpalne
The problem is per-post, not per-page. Also tested in the Wiki Sandbox with the same results.
- Lord Of The Rings
- Film.Lord Of The Rings
- Lrod Of Teh Rings
- Film.Lrod Of Teh Rings
- Film.Airpalne
- Film.Airpalne
- Airpalne
- Airpalne
- Film.Airpalne
- Airpalne
- Film.Airpalne
- Airpalne
- Film.Airpalne
- Airpalne
- Airpalne
- This Is Not A Link
- This Is Not A Link
- Hello.This Is Not A Link
- Film.This Is Not A Link
- This Is Not A Link
- This Is Not A Link
- Hello.This Is Not A Link
- Film.This Is Not A Link
- Thi Si Sno Tal INK
- This Is Not A Link
- This is not a link
- This is not a link
Okay, it seems that the linker decides what color a particular wick will be and then remembers that for the rest of the page on which it occurs. For nonexistent titles, it appears semi-random. Also, resaving the page with different links or links in a different order returns different results.
edited 10th Sep '13 2:08:15 PM by FastEddie
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Unrelated to the link issue, I've checked some pages with customized titles and I see that the custom title propagates in all namespaces under the title in question, both if they have pages or are nonexistent pages. So from that aspect the new system is ready to roll.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I'm getting red links when I make blue link. They still work, but they're red.
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The new redlinker/customizer is installed in forum threads. Please report any problems with it here.
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