RWBY General Discussion

From what the God of Light was on about, the taboo with resurrecting the dead has to do with some bullshit "balance of life and death" idea he and the God of Darkness came up with.

God of Light: I understand your pain, but you demand of me that which I cannot make so. Life and death are part of a delicate balance.

Salem: So... you won't do it then?

God of Light: To disrupt the cycle of—

Salem: But that's not fair... That's not fair!

(Beat)

God of Light: Let. Him. Rest.

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[[Later]]

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God of Light: What have you done?

God of Darkness: I have done what I please, brother. You may bask in the powers of creation, but you do not own them.

God of Light: This is not creation.

God of Darkness: Do not lecture me!

(Beat)

God of Light: I will do what I must to maintain order.

God of Darkness: You dare enter my domain and show such disrespect!

God of Light: I am abiding by the rules we agreed upon!

God of Darkness: Rules that I now see are ever in your favor. And yet the day a mortal comes to pray at my feet before your own, so do you arrive to lay your judgment upon me!

And as brought up before, based on the God of Darkness' outrage, its clear that whatever rules were made, it was the God of Light who had a bigger say in them. And right now, the idea of Back from the Dead being taboo is because the God of Light desires to maintain some form of order. So the real question isn't why its bad to bring back the dead, no the real question is to ask is: what happens if the balance of order is tipped?

We do however have a hint in regards to why he doesn't consider Back from the Dead creation, and that hint is Ozma's body. When the God of Darkness revived Ozma, he was given back his body and in a frenzied state. When the God of Light revived Ozma though, he bound his soul to an already living person and made it so that it would keep binding to a new host whenever he died. For whatever reason, the God of Light refused to just put Ozma in his old body. There in lies the hint: both used the soul, but only one used the body. What the God of Darkness did was, in effect, take Ozma's soul and put it back into his dead body. That's not true creation, that's more like reanimation, making Ozma a zombie. And naturally, Ozma was panicked, unaware of what was going on or where he was and looking like he was about to have an anxiety attack. Meanwhile, the God of Light first acclimated Ozma to the situation, then bound his soul to the False God incarnation. So, here is where we enter into Fan Wank territory. Because the God of Light has an obsession with the balance between life and death, he was disgusted by the use of Ozma's body because it was already dead. And he felt using a dead body on its own was a disruption of the balance, let alone using one to bring back someone who had already died. Meanwhile, he rationalized his actions with Ozma is better, as he was simply "accelerating" the process of reincarnation for Ozma, and he just wanted to find some schmuck to do his task for him, unaware that he was still looking rather hypocritical since he was still reviving a soul that had died.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 23rd 2020 at 8:15:55 AM

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I will said is because is not Ozma life, is whatever host is there, is not like ozma is taking over like a parasite or something.

And it is in agreement because is clear that neither god like to be close the other and disrupting things like that can have greater consequence, like people demanding live forever or something like that.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Plus reviving someone into a different world is different then just reviving them outright.

In the former case, there won't be any "well can my loved one come back?" Stuff.

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WHY RWBY REVIEWS SUCK

You know I... I think I don't like these review rants.

• brief history of RWBY's production history
• Volume 5 bitching
  • The fights are static and uninteresting next to Volume 3's
  • The characters stand around and talk too much
  • Ren and Nora have a weak character arc
  • Exposition episodes/flashbacks are bad writing
  • the battle royale was lame
  • you can change the names of certain characters - RWBY is too much like Fate (bullsh-t)
    • the fights aren't as good as the ones in Fate which are incredibly strategic and awesome
  • Cinder's survival is a dull surprise
  • more whining about Volume 5 and comedic yelling about the wasted potential
• subscribe to my patreon

I've got to wonder if all of the other "Hi, I'm a Youtuber trying to make a name for myself here's my review of this hit not-an-anime RWBY IS NOT GOOD/THE PROBLEM WITH RWBY/HOW RWBY LOST FOCUS/RWBY: WHY ITS NOT GREAT" clickbait reviews are the same.

I used to hear about them vaguely (somebody here was posting and reviewing the reviews semi-regularly) but I hadn't paid them much attention until right about now. Eruption Fang, Manga Kamen, Vexed Viewer, adel aka, Unicorn of War, etc etc.

I can't tell if it's just unfair to look at this in hindsight - Volume 5 wasn't my cup of tea either - or if it feels like the same tired talking points about the show. But I feel like the reviews rants I've glimpsed are just that - rants, piggybacking off of one another, all with the same sense of "here's this popular thing you like and here's something wrong with it, I'm just passive aggressively offering my opinion but it's kind of sh-te. It's not bad per say but... well yeah, it's kind of sh-te mate."

I think it'd bother me less if not for Youtube culture obligating everyone to link to their donation box/panhandle/ask for likes immediately after.

If you liked my assessment of this, uh, considering subscribing to my patreon! I'll be providing reviews of RWBY reviews each week. Running a TV Tropes account, watching free anime, and splitting my time with uni work is a tiring job, so subscribers will be getting access to script updates and artwork. Thanks for reading! See ya next time!

Edited by Soble on Feb 24th 2020 at 3:59:51 AM

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To each, their own, to be honest. I know that some people may have differing opinions, but I respectfully disagree.

• I don't think there's anything wrong with talking about RWBY's production history.
• Volume 5 is almost certainly something that requires a YMMV approach. A few people love it and quite a lot of people hate it. I'll reiterate what I pointed out first - to each, their own.
• The fight scene could have been done better. What's the point of animating a fight scene if you're going to cut away from it? That's the real kick in the teeth here.
• No, the reviews are not the same. There are some genuinely good reviews of RWBY, and some genuinely bad ones. Your opinion may vary.

Personally, I do agree that EruptionFang can be a little zealous in his reviews of RWBY. But it needs to be said that everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. Same thing with Adel and Vexed. I actually agree with their reviews, but there are a few things that I can say differently.

<edit: attempting to remain neutral>

<edit #2: removed potentially thumpworthy pothole>

Edited by Dacool1here on Feb 24th 2020 at 5:36:14 PM

<new post because I don't want to double post>

Also, can we talk about how Weiss tossed the drunk guy in the trashcan for insulting Blake? He wouldn't have posed any threat to them (considering that he's unarmed and every character is just walking around carrying a weapon). Even after Blake tries to tell the team to leave it, Weiss goes ahead and throws him in the trashcan.

I am not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that in real life, this would be considered assault.

Yeah, thats definitely disproportionate retribution but it makes people feel good to see so it's okay

It's also one example of how I think RWBY doesn't handle the theme of racism well because the characters oppose racism with big, dramatic moments but aren't seen taking any smaller, necessary steps to bring about change.

Supporting minorities isn't just about privileged people making heroic stands against individual bigots (and being the center of attention in doing so) but that's not carthatic enough for most media.

Yeah, and I doubt he has aura so, had it not been for him reappearing in later episodes, he would most likely be considered dead.

Not really, people have fallen from large heights into dumpsters before and came out fine. Hell, people have fallen from larger heights without having garbage to act as a cushion and survived. Besides, he was a drunken racist so who cares?

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A drunken racist who posed no threat to them. They could have just left him alone and walked away. But nope - assault was the way to go.

... You did notice the Humor Mode right? I wasn't being serious.

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Oops, I didn't see the Humor Mode tag- my fault. Jumped the gun too quickly. Sorry about that. :/

We see him alive later too.

I'm of the opinion that beating up racist assholes should be encouraged.

And....to summarize my experience with volume 5 again, after finishing it my reaction was largely "That was it?"

That was the big bad volume 5? This was the big atrocity to writing I've heard so much about? This is star wars fan level of hyperbolic BS.

On the reviewers. I wouldn't include unicorn of war in that, I don't agree on him on a lot of things, but he's pretty respectful about it and acknowledges how alot of RWB Ys "critics" go way too far.

Edited by Kylotrope on Feb 23rd 2020 at 11:15:50 PM

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I suggest you still keep your expectations for him low. I used to think the same of Eruption-Fang. Considering my attitude towards him now, it should be apparent that I'm still kicking myself for ever thinking that way. So its entirely possible UOW will do the same to you.

Vegeta: I'm back bitches!

Eruptionfang is largely an alt-right panderer. Unicorn of War's content is extremely LGBT and left friendly. The only thing they have in common is producing RWBY content.

Edited by VeryMelon on Feb 24th 2020 at 2:00:25 AM

Is Eruption-Fang Alt Right too?

Goddamn it, how did I not pick this shit up?! Now I feel even dumber for ever saying nice things about him!

Excuse me now while I go proceed to bash my head into every hard surface I can find.

Vegeta: I'm back bitches!

Honestly, considering that his self-admitted favorite character was the edgelord stalker terrorist, to the point he had a complete meltdown/temper tantrum after he finally got what he deserved, I can definitely believe that claim.

Edited by SomeNewGuy on Feb 24th 2020 at 3:31:16 AM

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Adam may have been a terrorist, stalker, and creepy ex-boyfriend, but both Blake and Yang had guns and should have simply shot him somewhere where it wouldn't be lethal. After throwing Wilt off the cliff, Adam had no aura. In real life, this wouldn't be self defense because the threat would have been removed. Here's a quote from a website (take it with a grain of salt)

<i am not a lawyer>

• Finally, the threat of harm must be active at the time you defend yourself. If the threat has ended and there is no more threat of violence (and thus the danger has ended), the justification for self-defense dwindles.

The threat of harm wasn't active (Wilt was thrown off the cliff and he had no Aura) and yet Yang and Blake still chose to stab him. Killing someone like that wouldn't be self defense. What they should have done was shot him in the leg and taken him to the Atlas military or left him.

</i am not a lawyer>

Edited by Dacool1here on Feb 24th 2020 at 8:16:36 PM

That's ignoring the fact that in Blake's case, she didn't have her weapon in hand. Okay, she had Shroud on her back but not only has she rarely used that as more than a sheath since the Fall of Beacon, it has no firing mechanism and would at best only help if she threw the damn thing. What was left of Gambol was what she was racing Adam for, since if Adam grabbed it, even with a broken blade, he could still try to fight with his Semblance using it. So when she grabbed it, she was already in close range and acting on pure adrenaline. Her stabbing him was justified...

Yang's on the other hand is not as justified. Yang's prosthetic may have been damaged but its firing mechanism wasn't, and she still had ammo. However, she chose to grab the broken edge of Gambol and stabbed him from behind rather than just shoot him. Add on her lack of reaction to just killing someone and that her attack required her to consciously grab the discarded blade and then get him In the Back, and not only does it make the moment not seem like self-defense, it even makes it seem premeditated. <Also not a lawyer>

In real life, Blake would likely get off with self-defense, at worst maybe 2nd degree manslaughter. Yang however would, at best, get a manslaughter charge. At worst, she'd get 2nd degree murder, since it would be hard to prove whether or not she deliberately grabbed the blade aiming to kill him or if it was also because of adrenaline.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 24th 2020 at 10:00:17 AM

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...no. Everyone was out of Aura and equally vulnerable, then he went for a weapon. They got there first, and he died. There was no opportunity to stop, take a breath, and force him down non-lethally. Especially since they both separately gave him chances to leave them alone earlier, and he refused both of them.

This wasn't an unarmed kid who twitched at the wrong moment and got killed by a trigger-happy cop. He was an enemy combatant who had repeatedly demonstrated an intent to kill.

'ed. I knew that was going to happen.

Edited by Discar on Feb 24th 2020 at 7:12:36 AM

Beating the racist is one of those "fuck yeah moment", ether you feel the catharsis or you dont which ether weiss is awsome by puttin in his place or make weiss look like a punk for beating someone who was not even insulting her.

And yeah eruption is what? I mean his opinion of why he dislike bumblebee feel more tolerant that many other and actually seen to have reason for no liking the ship, and so far I havent see anything else, he does have is bias(he was stuncher ironwood suporter) saying alt right is...a bit too much.

"considering that his self-admitted favorite character was the edgelord stalker terrorist, to the point he had a complete meltdown/temper tantrum after he finally got what he deserved"

Considering how mcuh of this thread have a meltdown over phyrra, with you saying the show will become a dark edge fest is kinda saying a lot.

Also....have anyone actually saw the reason of is rant? because is not much diferent of what tharkun, the lovecraft or myself have said(and of all three, only Im a fan of adam): that he was a waste of chararter, be reduce to a hate sink, how moonslice is weird as semblence because it need the sword while any other semblence dosent and of course, having this kinda tender moment after killing someone is.....a lot.

Edited by unknowing on Feb 24th 2020 at 11:30:29 AM

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

x4You do know despite what movies tell you there is no "safe spot" to get shot at.

Phyrra wasn't an abusive genocidal sadist who was killed by her victim.

And Eruption Fang...what I find really egregious about him, is this. Most people dropped the idea that Adam was some sort of Morally ambiguous Anti-Villain with volume 3, he Apparnelty held onto it even after Volume 5.

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T Hat is not the point, a lot of people here make the big complain about her death being wasted, not much diferent of Adam, hell we make the same complain here plenty of time.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

It's kinda funny that, for all the "HE'S NOT THE BEAST, HE'S GASTON!" complaints, the fact that he was stabbed In the Back mirrors how the Beast was killed in the movie, much like how Pyrrha got the heel pierced.