For a list of bad laconics, see Sandbox.Pages Needing Better Laconics.
For generally accepted guidelines for laconics, see Sandbox.Laconic Wiki Template.
Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:
Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:
The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.
So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM
She / Her
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I'd add a period at the end and it's otherwise good.
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Found some problematic Laconics while doing some wick cleaning.
- Laconic.Hong Kong 97 is fine, but that pothole to Pointless Doomsday Device is bad and I don't know how to replace it.
- Laconic.Joker 2019 has two, which it shouldn't have; both are awful.
- Laconic.Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep is way too long and I don't know how to trim it.
Edited by FernandoLemon on Jan 20th 2023 at 10:52:29 AM
I'd like to apologize for all this.
the Retromancer
Suggestion for Laconic.Joker 2019: A mentally ill loner is crossed with a society that abandons him and treats him like trash.
Alt suggestion: A sad failing comedian with multiple mental disorders snaps and starts the Eat the Rich movement.
Suggestion for Laconic.Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep: The Prequel where another Power Trio got dragged into the early stages of series' Big Bad's long-term plan.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Speaking of bad laconics here are a few
of them. Note that some of them have already been replaced and are marked with done.
Officially intimidated
The SMG laconic suggestion has been implemented (period included), thanks!
As for The Joker, I'd zap the second for being a deprecated X-Meets-Y line and keep the first.
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the Retromancer
Somebody already went ahead and replaced the first Joker one.
Yes, the second should just go away.
Edited by Amonimus on Jan 20th 2023 at 9:40:56 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
What's wrong with Pointless Doomsday Device? Other than the title?
Officially intimidated
Oh, I didn't notice the first Laconic was already the suggested replacement.
So all that remains is to remove the second.
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the Retromancer
As you can see there, Tabs already removed the second as well.
I'm more interested if out of the two suggestions for the Joker, if the current is preferred.
Also pending feedback on kingdom hearts one.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup Not an accurate descriptor.
She / Her
Would shortening Laconic.Bottle Episode down to "An episode intended to cost as little as possible." make it overly simple?
- Yes, because that makes it sound like it's only for works that use paid locations or something?
I'm helping!
Costing as little as possible is the purpose (or at least was the purpose that created the idea) and is already mentioned in the current laconic.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
She / Her
Ok, the reason I was suggesting that is because I thought those details might be unneeded since the gist of the trope is that the episode is supposed to cost as little as possible.
Then how do Fan Works and Literature fit? It seems more like locational Minimalism that can be Enforced as a cost-cutting measure?
So, are we talking about what it's synonymous with, or its financial purpose? We're about Narrative, so it's the former? A work's financials is Trivia?
Edited by Malady on Jan 20th 2023 at 10:30:17 AM
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
The point of the Bottle Episode trope isn't that it costs as little as possible. It's that the intention is to make the episode cost as little as possible. As the description says, a Bottle Episode can end up costing more than a normal episode.
The point of the trope — what entries should be capturing — is why the episode was intended to be a bottle episode, and how the episode manifests as one. So, Work X might create a Bottle Episode that consists of two characters in a single room for the entire episode, not only removing the need for extras or different location shots, but also excluding the rest of the main cast. Work Y may involve the entire main cast, but they only use existing sets and props, and don't show the characters travelling between these different locations, don't include extras, and perhaps even take place at a specific time of day or night so they can cut back on lighting costs. Work Z may decided to set the episode in a new location to create the atmosphere for a bigger storyline later on in the show that will need the audience to have already been introduced to the place... but because the new set had to be created, this particular Bottle Episode cost more than the normal episodes did, but saves costs in the long run because they now know exactly how to present and frame things for the future story arc (it effectively acted as a test run).
The laconic probably needs to be more akin to "The way a specific episode is produced and presented in the hope of reducing production costs" except far better worded.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 21st 2023 at 11:27:42 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
I'm helping!
what do you mean laconics and redirects are different
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jan 22nd 2023 at 11:35:28 AM
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
She / Her
I think you got the wrong thread.
I'm thinking of giving Kiss of Life this as a Laconic:
Today, I stumbled upon seeing the laconic of The Reader. Here's what it says:
Was it bashing or a joke? And what to do with it?
“Boom! Boomboom! Boomboomboom! Bakuage Tire! Gogogo!"
the Retromancer
As described on the main page, it's quoting a critical review. But unless someone can summarize The Reader, I'd lean on cutting it for now.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupSource of the review please?
the Retromancer
Do you not see it? "One critic retitled The Reader as "Boohoo, I Bonked An Illiterate Nazi"." with the link.
Tea, Coffee and Hot Chocolate
While the review is technically accurate, it downplays how fucked up the illiterate nazi isnote .
She raped a child while he was ill at the beginning of the story, and then abuses him during their "relationship" before vanishing. The story focuses on the boy as he grows up, having to combat his complicated feelings about the illiterate nazi and his country's history.
For example, while the illiterate nazi is a nazi nonce, she takes the fall for several worse nazis and gets a harsher punishment then them because she's too proud to admit she's illiterate (this fact would have exonerated her of worse crimes). The protagonist doesn't know she's illiterate, but knows something isn't quite right with how the other nazis were ganging up on her in court.
While the laconic is from a film review, it completely ignores one of the central themes of the book: finding out someone you liked is worse than you originally thought/remembered. Whether the film is a faithful adaptation or not, the laconic feels like Flame Bait.
I read the review, and it's Oscar gossip from that time. "Boohoo I bonked an illiterate nazi" is basically the author's whole review. Snappy, but lacks substance.
Edited by PresidentBrit on Jan 23rd 2023 at 11:06:50 AM
TV Tropes ruined Faust's life Oh my bad. Anyway, I'll try to cutlist it.
Or maybe I'll improve it as "A young German boy fall in love with an older woman but she hid a dark secret".
Edited by Bubblepig on Jan 23rd 2023 at 2:58:05 AM
“Boom! Boomboom! Boomboomboom! Bakuage Tire! Gogogo!"
She / Her
A while ago, someone removed a bunch of details in Laconic.Screw This Im Outta Here that are part of the trope. Can I revert it?
