Not Thriving: Sci Fi Kitchen Sink

This is really not thriving: 11 wicks, whereas its sister trope, Fantasy Kitchen Sink, has 656 wicks.

Except that Fantasy Kitchen Sink seems to include science fiction elements in its description, and really doesn't think of Sci-Fi Kitchen Sink as a sister trope at all. Laconic.Fantasy Kitchen Sink includes three definitions, two of which have specifically sci-fi genre examples.

This discussion is yet another TRS resulting from the ongoing Planet Eris TRS, which really needs a clear definition of both kitchen sinks. Should we merge Sci-Fi Kitchen Sink into Fantasy Kitchen Sink? Or rewrite Fantasy Kitchen Sink to make it more clearly in the realm of fantasy, and add some sort of supertrope where they're mixed in a Science Fantasy fashion?

I'd say combine the sinks. Scifi is fantasy with bolts on (in the words of Terry Pratchett) and once you start "throwing in everything including the kitchen sink", you tend to get a lot of crossover between the two.

Anyway I'm not sure half of these examples are even legit examples. In what way is Starcraft a scifi mishmash that throws in every scifi concept ever from warp drive to nanites?

edited 7th May '12 1:34:15 PM by Escher

I'm in favor of keeping Sci-Fi Kitchen Sink, for the same reason that I mentioned on the All Myths Are True TRS thread: it's pretty common on the wiki to have Sci Fi Counterpart tropes, which have unique consequences for each genre. Even if the genres aren't that dissimilar. Moreover, All Theories Are True is getting misused when the trope really should be Sci-Fi Kitchen Sink.

This is the first I noticed this trope. If you check Fantasy Kitchen Sink I think you'll find some wicks that belong over here.

I can see a lot more inherent value in Fantasy Kitchen Sink as there are a lot unconnected, if not mutually exclusive, mythologies to drawn on. A setting where you have Satan, Yahweh, demons and angels alongside the Greek pantheon, the Egyptian Pantheon and the Norse Pantheon and elemental sympathetic and Crowley-style magic all work is a lot more notable than havign faster-than-light travel and robots. In the latter case, there's no reason they shouldn't exist together and it borders on a chair. Technology is all connected and it makes sense that people that are more advanced than us in one way would also be more advanced in other ways.

Okay, first I thought I should mention that there's a lot of discussion about Fantasy Kitchen Sink occurring on the Planet Eris TRS thread and All Myths Are True TRS thread.

You seem to be describing Crossover Cosmology, not Fantasy Kitchen Sink. Plus, there is an awful lot of science fiction written for the purpose of examining one technology. 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea is mostly about submarine travel in Verne's future (our present). Jurassic Park is about the perils of cloning and biological sciences. Lots and lots of Science Fiction works aren't overloaded in every sci-fi trope; the higher you go on the Mohs Scale Of Science Fiction Hardness, the less you can include due to feasibility concerns. Dai-Guard may be about giant robots fighting monsters, but so is Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and all of the science fiction tropes in the latter make a huge and tropable difference.

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Sure, keep and expand examples. Pages shouldn't even be started unless they have at least thirteen in my opinion. Also, add to the description about what this is not, and how the implications are different from fantasy kitchen sink...and like fantasy kitchen sink maybe link to All Myths Are True and Crossover Cosmology while you're at it so people know the difference between those too.

The Jurassic Park example is a good one for how works spend all their time on one technology(also minority report, ect but we don't want to be filling a page with aversions so lets just go with Jurassic Park as the got to case)

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