Real Life section maintenance

Some of those entries strike me as the kind of thing where a lot of stuff is thrown at the wall and something happens to stick. Sort of like all the time The Simpsons ran a "Trump as President" spoof.

It would probably be rejected, but I think Obfuscating Insanity should also be NRLEP.

edited 15th Aug '17 12:03:35 PM by MsCC93

It's more you should give us a reason why we should add it to the crowner.

Saying ideas for the sake of it really don't help. Just give us a reason, and we'll discuss it.

Adding Cassandra Truth to the crowner for the mentioned reasons, namely gossip, speculation, shoehorning, the coincidental nature of the trope when in RL

Should The Sociopath be NRLEP?

Even with the "diagnosed people only" limitation, I'm still kind of wary of listing RL people. However, we have allowed RL entries for Dirty Cop where the "dirty" was documented with convictions in a court, so there is precedent.

Okay.

So far it looks like Cassandra Truth isn't doing so well, as it's been hovering around the 1:1 ratio since shortly after it was added. Waiting until Monday to call it because of the weekend thing, but barring some spectacular change of voting it's probably going to be called on Monday keep RL examples. Added on 15th Aug '17 at 05:33:11 PM, 7:7 (14)

Well, it's not the morning but it is still Monday, so calling Cassandra Truth to keep RL examples. Added on 15th Aug '17 at 05:33:11 PM, 1.38:1 (19)

I'd like to nominate Ambiguously Human. It seems distasteful.

"Distasteful" is more an appeal to emotion than a reason to NRLEP. You could try to make a case under "Gossip and Stereotypes", but I'd disagree.

From a quick look, the section might need a scrubbing, though.

Thing is, there's nothing ambiguous about them. There were beliefs that some people weren't human, but that's not what the trope is. It's about characters who seem like humans, with something being off about them that marks them as probably non-human.

Some are about scientific definitions, which is also not quite what the trope is. For those it's the classification of "human" that's ambiguous, not the examples.

Jesus would at best fall under Religion.

None of those examples fit the trope anyway, so whether or not we NRLEP it, they need to be deleted.

I'm sorry that I could not make a better argument for Ambiguously Human. The examples just squicked the hell out of me.

Permission to delete those as misuse, then? In that case there would really be no need to vote and put it on the index.

edited 26th Aug '17 7:24:10 AM by XFllo

Head-in-the-Sand Management is a no real life examples page, but the connected quotes page has a bunch of real life quotes. Do those need to be nuked? (There's probably a more general question of quotes pages attached to no real life example pages.)

I would say that if they point towards any real people or companies, they should be deleted. If they're about the concept, they can probably stay. Or just delete all of them.

Right Through the Wall still has an RL section despite being a sex trope. Adding.

Sorry for the double post, but I noticed that Right Through His Pants also still has one. Adding that too.

Ya know, it has been suggested in the moderator discussion that this thread has served its purpose, as most highly problematic real life sections are gone and because some of us have a perception that it is rather cavalier at cutting stuff. Does anyone think that it is still needed?

FTR, even if this thread is closed you can still bring up a problematic Real Life section. Just that you now would make a dedicated TRS topic.

Difficult question. It seems to me that the activity has gone down quite a bit, and that more and more requests are being voted down.

I don't have a problem with bringing suggestions for making a trope NRLEP to TRS.

I do think, however, that considering how overloaded TRS seems to be, that there should be a quicker way to clean up problematic real-life sections without removing them altogether. After all, in most cases that's "just" a case of removing non-examples, shoehorning and flamebait, which normally shouldn't require a TRS thread. Perhaps such cases could just be discussed in the trope's discussion page? Or perhaps we should keep this thread but not let it decide on NRLEP status?

Most of these problems don't require urgent action, quick fix TRS topics are generally processed quickly and decisions whether to keep or cut a Real Life section are quick fixes as only a few simple edits are needed. We also have the NATTER ALERT, 5P Cleanup pile and Lewdness issues, Is this an Example? and Ask The Tropers topics for some of the common issues. So I think we are covered on this point.

The only problem would be if we have a RL section that exhibits a bunch of problems, as they often do, for example natter, troping real people, shoehorning, etc — should it then be brought up in many of these threads separately?

Or would it be enough to bring it up in the trope's own discussion page?

I think that bringing it up only in one place would suffice.

I think this thread is still useful -but we need to put much more of an emphasis on the MAINTENANCE part of the title. There's too much thinking that RL sections come here to die (to be mildly hyperbolic).

Yeah, I am not convinced that this kind of culture change can be forced that easily. Part of the reason why I am proposing a radical change. The other being to remove bureaucratic systems.